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Jun 19th, 2010 at 6:11pm
 
From the Australian newspaper

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/housing-market-a-time-bomb-says-investm...

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Housing market a 'time bomb', says investment legend


    * Katherine Jimenez
    * From: The Australian
    * June 16, 2010 12:00AM

THE Australian and British housing markets are the last two bubbles left in the wake of the financial crisis, and it is only a matter of time before they crash, warns legendary US investor and co-founder of global investment management firm GMO, Jeremy Grantham.

Mr Grantham famously reported a year before the global financial crisis: "In five years, I expect that at least one major bank (broadly defined) will have failed and that up to half the hedge funds and a substantial percentage of the private equity firms in existence today will have simply ceased to exist".

He said yesterday that Australia had an unmistakable housing bubble and that prices would need to come down by 42 per cent to return to the long-term trend.

"You cannot possibly miss it," he said.

"The price of housing typically trades about 3.5 times of family income and in bubble it goes to 6 or . . . 7.5 (times).

"Australia is having one now. You are at near 7.5 times family income . . . which suggests you are twice the size that you should be."

GMO is one of the biggest investment management firms in the world, with about $106 billion in funds under management, and is considered to be an authority on asset bubbles.

Mr Grantham, who is in Australia to meet with GMO clients in Sydney and Melbourne this week, said any bubble could be an exception to the rule.

"Bubbles have quite a few things in common but housing bubbles have a spectacular thing in common, and that is every one of them is considered unique and different," he said.

As an example, he cited the British housing market bubble of 1989. At the time, he said people dismissed the bubble because there was no more rezoning, creating a land shortage and as such, they believed prices would rise forever.

"Seven years later, in 1997, they hit the lowest multiple of family income since the record books started in 1945. It's always the same old argument, they are not making any more land."

In Australia's case, Mr Grantham described the housing market as a "time bomb" just waiting for interest rates to increase and become impossible to support.

Since last October, the Reserve Bank of Australia has raised the official cash rate six times. The rate is now 4.5 per cent.

If the Australian housing market did not return to the normal multiple of family income, he said "it will be the first time in history."

"Sooner or later, the rates will go up and the game is over."
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Reply #1 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 6:26pm
 
Hi Nail,
This is quite a worry for my property value but then again
it means other properties will be cheaper.
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Reply #2 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 6:33pm
 
You'll note all the reasons for the Reserve not raising rates are external (Greek & European crisis).
If not for these factors they would have upped them again, if by some miracle the european debt problems settle down we just might see a .5 increase in a couple of months especially if our economy & unemployment rates keep going the way they are.
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Reply #3 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 6:41pm
 


I, for one, reckon that the RBA's charter, as initally dictated by Costello, is terribly flawed and socio-economically bizarre...

In particular, the target headline 'inflation' band is too narrowly defined!

Same goes for the increasingly irrelevant composition and weighting of the CPI!

It is time for a serious review, of the both the CPI and the RBA charter!


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Reply #4 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 6:42pm
 
Equitist wrote on Jun 19th, 2010 at 6:41pm:
I, for one, reckon that the RBA's charter, as initally dictated by Costello, is terribly flawed and socio-economically bizarre...

In particular, the target headline 'inflation' band is too narrowly defined!

Same goes for the increasingly irrelevant composition and weighting of the CPI!

It is time for a serious review, of the both the CPI and the RBA charter!




Ditto re headline measures of employment/unemployment and income/wages!

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Reply #5 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 6:44pm
 
From Steve Keens debtdeflation website.

http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/2010/06/17/grantham-on-the-australian-housing...

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Grantham on the Australian housing market

Jeremy Grantham pricked, if not the housing bubble itself, then at least the bubble that property market spruikers live in, with the quip that:

    “Bubbles have quite a few things in common but housing bubbles have a spectacular thing in common, and that is every one of them is considered unique and different.” (Housing market a ‘time bomb’, says investment legend: The Australian June 16, 2010)

How true that is. Before Japan’s bubble burst in 1990, we heard that Japan was different: the “Rising Sun” was eclipsing the USA and house prices reflected this growing wealth (and—didn’t you know? —there was a land shortage in Tokyo!). Before the USA’s bubble burst, there were land shortages in all the States with price bubbles—especially California. There were probably even Tulip shortages in Amsterdam, four centuries ago.


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Those other bubbles duly burst, despite their “unique” characteristics, under the weight of the same force: too much debt was taken on by speculators seduced by the groupthink that house prices always rise. When the rise in house prices made the entry costs for new players prohibitive, debt stopped growing and house prices collapsed.

This is the other thing that all housing bubbles (and share price bubbles, for that matter) have in common: they are all driven by borrowed money, and they can only be sustained so long as rate of growth of debt outpaces incomes. Once that stops, the engine of unearned income that enticed speculators in breaks down—since the only way that we can all appear rich without working is if we spend borrowed money.

Of course, we all know that spending borrowed money is a surefire route to ultimate poverty. The great tragedy of an asset bubble however, is that it’s someone else’s increase in debt that makes us appear wealthier when your house sells for more than you paid for it. In effect, the housing market “launders” the debt money, making it appear real.

Any doubt that borrowed money is what has driven house prices into the stratosphere in Australia is dispelled by the data: despite all the hooey about Australian lenders being more responsible than those in the USA, mortgage debt in Australia rose three times faster since 1990. Having started with a mortgage debt to GDP ratio that was just 40% of America’s, we now have a higher ratio than the USA—and ours is still increasing while theirs is clearly falling.


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Notice however that our ratio was lower than the USA’s—and was falling too—before the government brought in the First Home Vendors Boost. As it has always done, that government intervention in the market set off a price bubble—the government in this sense is as responsible for the house price bubble as the banks are.

The government pulls this trick because it makes it look good for a while: the bubble pulls in yet more private sector borrowing, and the spending makes the economy boom. But when the grant ends and the borrowing slows down, things don’t look so rosy.

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That’s one way to describe the housing market right now. The boost caused the number of buyers to explode last year, and now the number is fizzing: there were just 46,000 home loans taken out by owner occupiers in April, a cool 25% down on the same month in 2009. Actual demand (and that’s people with cash in their hands to buy now, not the hypothetical future demand concepts touted by the property spruikers) is therefore falling below actual supply.


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As the stock of unsold houses mounts up, it is only a matter of time before the bubble bursts.
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Reply #6 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 6:46pm
 
I believe the housing bubble will bust. It probably would have by now if the government didn't prop it up by way of the first home owners grant. If you look at long term charts, they show that they always have rises and falls, they have never just kept going up ad infinitum.

Maybe this year, maybe next. One sure sign of a weakening real estate market is the increase in auctions. The signs are there, but not all suburbs or areas will be affected to the same degree.

Hopefully, for those who havn't been able to get a leg in, the substantial price drop will help, if you are lucky enough to keep your job.
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Reply #7 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 7:48pm
 
No Housing Recovery in Sight

Households, as a group, are gaining ground financially, but are still far below where they were in 2007. This, along with other weaknesses in the economy, is going to continue to contribute to the weakness in the economic recovery now taking place.

One place this weakness is particularly evident is in the housing sector. The recovery of the housing market helped to lead the economy out of every previous recession in the post-World War II period. In the recent experience, this has not been the case, even with special incentive programs created by the federal government to spur along a rebound.

The figure on housing starts in May 2010, an annual rate of 593,000, confirmed this continued weakness.

The recession ended in July 2009, yet housing starts have hovered around a 600,000 unit annual rate ever since. The highest figure recorded during this time period was an annual rate of 659,000 in April of this year, but the pace dropped off once again in May.

At this time, Americans are just not in a position to acquire housing. If we look at the financial position of United States households since the year 2007, according to the Flow of Funds accounts released by the Federal Reserve, the net worth of households has decline by slightly less than $10 trillion. Year-over-year, from the first quarter of 2009 through the first quarter of 2010, household net worth has risen by a little more than $6 trillion, but almost all of this increase has been in the value of equity shares, something that is not a part of the balance sheets of Main Street America. The value of tangible assets, including the value of homes, has fallen by $5 trillion since 2007 and increased only modestly year-over-year. Again, the beneficiary of any gain here has not been Main Street America.

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/210610-no-housing-recovery-in-sight?source=email

There is also an interesting Graph2005-2010, showing the USA slide in new housing starts, which has levelled out in 2009, due to US government subsidies.

I suspect that the slide will continue or increase, when that subsidy is withdrawn.

Btw, I haven't been able to figure out how to copy & paste the graph in the article, into this post.
Any & all assistance, would be most welcome!

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Reply #9 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 1:33pm
 
Hi Nail,
Economics was never my strong area.
Those graphs do seem to say that it's better to wait if you want to buy.
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Reply #10 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 1:38pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 20th, 2010 at 1:33pm:
Hi Nail,
Economics was never my strong area.
Those graphs do seem to say that it's better to wait if you want to buy.


It's also saying that the Government has used tax payers money against the general public by creating a property bubble and inflated house prices with its first home buyers grant.

No wonder Kevin Dudd is on the nose.
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lastnail,
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Reply #12 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 1:45pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 20th, 2010 at 1:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 20th, 2010 at 1:33pm:
Hi Nail,
Economics was never my strong area.
Those graphs do seem to say that it's better to wait if you want to buy.


It's also saying that the Government has used tax payers money against the general public by creating a property bubble and inflated house prices with its first home buyers grant.

No wonder Kevin Dudd is on the nose.


He has been talking to too many Economists!
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Reply #13 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 5:01pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Jun 20th, 2010 at 1:45pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 20th, 2010 at 1:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 20th, 2010 at 1:33pm:
Hi Nail,
Economics was never my strong area.
Those graphs do seem to say that it's better to wait if you want to buy.


It's also saying that the Government has used tax payers money against the general public by creating a property bubble and inflated house prices with its first home buyers grant.

No wonder Kevin Dudd is on the nose.


He has been talking to too many Economists!



Not the right ones obviously.
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Reply #14 - Jun 22nd, 2010 at 8:56pm
 
The so called "my-generation" don't care about how much money the oldies are going to lose because they are too busy wasting their lives paying rent forever!

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