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Reply #30 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 11:27pm
 
there seems to be a definite undercurrent of informed community commentary about how bad this really is, and this seems just today to be reaching the internet. Yes, I have also heard that there are complications along fault lines with oil going in different directions. I have heard that this well is of the magnitude of the Arabian ones that have been gushing oil continuously for 70 years with no end in sight. The problem now with the Mexico Gulf one appears to be the enormous pressure from it because it is so deep into the earth's crust, at tectonic plate level, that it may happen that it cannot ever be controlled. Today I heard predictions that the entire eastern coast of America could be ruined, extending around the Atlantic, even northern Europe, and widespread serious health complications for millions of people. I hope this is incorrect, but the rumours only seem to be increasing.
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Reply #31 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 11:32pm
 
It's frightening to contemplate the possibilities. This is what I read earlier:

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In a recent discussion, Vladimir Kutcherov, Professor at the Royal Institute of Technology in Sweden and the Russian State University of Oil and Gas, predicted that the present oil spill flooding the Gulf Coast shores of the United States “could go on for years and years … many years.”  

According to Kutcherov, a leading specialist in the theory of abiogenic deep origin of petroleum, “What BP drilled into was what we call a ‘migration channel,’ a deep fault on which hydrocarbons generated in the depth of our planet migrate to the crust and are accumulated in rocks, something like Ghawar in Saudi Arabia.”  Ghawar, the world’s most prolific oilfield has been producing millions of barrels daily for almost 70 years with no end in sight. According to the abiotic science, Ghawar like all giant oil and gas deposits all over the world, is located on a migration channel similar to that in the oil-rich Gulf of Mexico.

As I wrote at the time of the January 2010 Haiti earthquake disaster,Haiti had been identified as having potentially huge hydrocarbon reserves, as has neighboring Cuba. Kutcherov estimates that the entire Gulf of Mexico is one of the planet’s most abundant accessible locations to extract oil and gas, at least before the Deepwater Horizon event this April.

“In my view the heads of BP reacted with panic at the scale of the oil spewing out of the well,” Kutcherov adds. “What is inexplicable at this point is why they are trying one thing, failing, then trying a second, failing, then a third. Given the scale of the disaster they should try every conceivable option, even if it is ten, all at once in hope one works. Otherwise, this oil source could spew oil for years given the volumes coming to the surface already.”  

He stresses, “It is difficult to estimate how big this leakage is. There is no objective information available.” But taking into consideration information about the last BP ‘giant’ discovery in the Gulf of Mexico, the Tiber field, some six miles deep, Kutcherov agrees with Ira Leifer a researcher in the Marine Science Institute at the University of California, Santa Barbara who says the oil may be gushing out at a rate of more than 100,000 barrels a day.

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There are unconfirmed reports of "fissuring" on the floor of the Gulf near the site of the BP Deepwater Horizon disaster -- if the seabed is compromised, then BP can drill all the 'relief wells' it wants and they won't have any effect on the blown-out drilling site.

The worst-case scenario would be an immense volume of hydrocarbons, presently trapped beneath the surface and under terrific pressure, displacing the waters of the Gulf, which the hydrocarbons dwarf in volume -- consider what this would mean. The WHOLE of the Gulf of Mexico is displaced. Where does the water go?

Stay tuned. Could be interesting.
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Reply #32 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 11:42pm
 
that's the report.
I heard a commentary which I thought was significant, that oil is not just a "fossil fuel" it is the lubricant for the earth's tectonic plates, removing it can interfere with those processes. Given that there has already been major earthquakes in Haiti, it makes you wonder what damage is really being done that we are not being told about.
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Reply #33 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 10:35am
 
shampain socialist wrote on Jun 24th, 2010 at 11:42pm:
that's the report.
I heard a commentary which I thought was significant, that oil is not just a "fossil fuel" it is the lubricant for the earth's tectonic plates, removing it can interfere with those processes. Given that there has already been major earthquakes in Haiti, it makes you wonder what damage is really being done that we are not being told about.


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Reply #34 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 12:19pm
 
Muso, can you explain why it's not plausible please?

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Reply #35 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 2:27pm
 
The tectonic plates are supported by mantle, which is effectively very viscous semi-liquefied rock. Most of the action, whether it's plate subduction or divergence,  is occurring at this mantle level. The oil deposits themselves are tiny in proportion to the edges of the tectonic plates.

The mantle temperature and pressure vary significantly with depth of course, but the upper mantle has a temperature of around 300-500 degrees C.

Apart from anything else, the oil in oil reserves is contained within a rock which is very slightly porous.  It's generally confined at a particular horizon by an impervious cap. The integrity of the rock is not affected by the presence or absence of the oil, and when a well is produced, the oil is displaced by formation water anyway.

The whole idea that oil lubricates the tectonic plates comes from the wonderful world of the Internet Blogosphere, which is generally populated by adolescents and pale nocturnal creatures who play WoW and other such games.
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Reply #36 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 4:38pm
 
Thank you for that, Muso.

Is this possible?

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There are unconfirmed reports of "fissuring" on the floor of the Gulf near the site of the BP Deepwater Horizon disaster -- if the seabed is compromised, then BP can drill all the 'relief wells' it wants and they won't have any effect on the blown-out drilling site.

The worst-case scenario would be an immense volume of hydrocarbons, presently trapped beneath the surface and under terrific pressure, displacing the waters of the Gulf, which the hydrocarbons dwarf in volume -- consider what this would mean. The WHOLE of the Gulf of Mexico is displaced. Where does the water go?



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Reply #37 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 6:55pm
 
you've heard it all, have you, muso?
heard any solutions to this disaster while you're at it?
I haven't.
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Reply #38 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 8:37am
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 4:38pm:
Thank you for that, Muso.

Is this possible?

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There are unconfirmed reports of "fissuring" on the floor of the Gulf near the site of the BP Deepwater Horizon disaster -- if the seabed is compromised, then BP can drill all the 'relief wells' it wants and they won't have any effect on the blown-out drilling site.

The worst-case scenario would be an immense volume of hydrocarbons, presently trapped beneath the surface and under terrific pressure, displacing the waters of the Gulf, which the hydrocarbons dwarf in volume -- consider what this would mean. The WHOLE of the Gulf of Mexico is displaced. Where does the water go?





Only in a Hollywood movie  Grin It reminds me of "2012" I don't think I've ever seen so many absurdities in one paragraph.
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Reply #39 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 8:45am
 
shampain socialist wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 6:55pm:
you've heard it all, have you, muso?
heard any solutions to this disaster while you're at it?
I haven't.


Unfortunately no.  I can understand why people feel angry about it. I do.

It's what we can't see that's the problem. 

http://main.uab.edu/Sites/reporter/articles/76659/

Think about the effects of the worst nuclear power station accidents. Chernobyl was by far the worst.  They pale into insignificance by comparison.

We really need to move on from fossil fuels for many good  reasons.
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Reply #40 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 1:06pm
 
I am hearing that the massive amounts of benzene are going to create a ground zero of health programs affecting millions of people, not just in America.
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Reply #41 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 8:25pm
 
muso wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 8:37am:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 4:38pm:
Thank you for that, Muso.

Is this possible?

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There are unconfirmed reports of "fissuring" on the floor of the Gulf near the site of the BP Deepwater Horizon disaster -- if the seabed is compromised, then BP can drill all the 'relief wells' it wants and they won't have any effect on the blown-out drilling site.

The worst-case scenario would be an immense volume of hydrocarbons, presently trapped beneath the surface and under terrific pressure, displacing the waters of the Gulf, which the hydrocarbons dwarf in volume -- consider what this would mean. The WHOLE of the Gulf of Mexico is displaced. Where does the water go?





Only in a Hollywood movie  Grin It reminds me of "2012" I don't think I've ever seen so many absurdities in one paragraph.


I'm going to add to the absurdities - the oil is there for a reason and both Synergys' and Annie's quotes make perfect sense.

We are already seeing a disaster unfold and we're not being told the truth. Apart from the suffering and killing of millions of sea creatures - when it hits the coast, the damage is going to get a lot worse.

Of course it's going to affect the tectonic plates - deep sea drilling is responsible in some cases for their movement, even without an eruption of this size.
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Reply #42 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 9:05pm
 
Better see what's goin' down here, folks. This is a LOT worse than you think. Even Australian 60 Minutes gets a mention.

... and what about Ms Arnesen, what a speaker, what a leader. I'll bet she's not a leftie though. Wonder whether she'd like to migrate to Australia and take up a position as leader of a political party here. Leaves them absolutely for dead. Brilliant.  The only thing is she's talking about the disaster at sea level, what's going on deep down, very few people seem to know. Check it out folks, this is real, scary stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkYJDI8pK9Y
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Reply #43 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 9:19pm
 
shampain socialist wrote on Jun 26th, 2010 at 1:06pm:
I am hearing that the massive amounts of benzene are going to create a ground zero of health programs affecting millions of people, not just in America.


Well, benzene to some extent - also phenols, napthols and other aromatics, which are more water soluble than benzene.  A lot of these compounds are carcinogenic and mutagenic. They will cause problems in the food chain just as they did in Alaska and the Arabian Gulf.  

I agree that we'll continue to see effects well into the future. They will have to restrict catches from the Gulf. It will be interesting to see if that actually happens though.  

As for tectonic plates - nonsense.  With respect, you don't know what you're talking about.
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Reply #44 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 9:45pm
 
Thanks, that's useful re the chemicals. You obviously aren't doing too much extra reading about this though. You seem to be behind the momentum of newsbreak and internet commentary. With respect.

"they will cause problems in the foodchain in the Gulf" -
I would say that there isn't a foodchain left in the Gulf or soon won't be; and if my humble schooldays science is any guide to me, humans are part of that foodchain aren't they. With respect.

"they'll have to restrict catches from the Gulf" ! They'll be restricting all right, there'll be nothing left.
With respect.

I don't know what I'm talking about eh. I hope you do.
With respect.
With respect: you sound like an industry operative.
with respect.
but thanks; and I recommend doing some reading outside the square.
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