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Reply #15 - Jun 6th, 2010 at 5:05pm
 
More wonderful news from the worst spill in history, which, according to Sarah Palin, is because those damned environmentalists stopped the good people at the oil companies from drilling in safe places, like national parks, and national heritage areas, and forced them to drill in deep water.

See, if only we let them do whatever they want, whenever they want, everything would have been fine.

On a far more serious note, the amount of oil that is believed to be staying deep in the water, and travelling around in vast plumes, is of real concern, for many scientists.

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What the Spill Will Kill

Giant plumes of crude oil mixed with methane are sweeping the ocean depths with devastating consequences. 'I'm not too worried about oil on the surface,' says one scientist. 'It's the things we don't see that worry me the most.'

Here is the link to the story at NewsWeek;

http://services.newsweek.com/id/238620
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Reply #16 - Jun 6th, 2010 at 7:27pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Jun 6th, 2010 at 5:05pm:
More wonderful news from the worst spill in history, which, according to Sarah Palin, is because those damned environmentalists stopped the good people at the oil companies from drilling in safe places, like national parks, and national heritage areas, and forced them to drill in deep water.

http://services.newsweek.com/id/238620



SHe has a point, of course. It is safer, and easier, to drill for oil on land than at sea.
It is certainly easier to prevent of fix problems on land (we are land animals, don't you know) than a mile under water. You have to be a Green not see that and to be fixated on 'Uhhh,  look what Palin said'.


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Reply #17 - Jun 6th, 2010 at 8:06pm
 
I would rather just look *at* Sarah Palin.
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Reply #18 - Jun 7th, 2010 at 12:26pm
 
Soren wrote on Jun 6th, 2010 at 7:27pm:
mozzaok wrote on Jun 6th, 2010 at 5:05pm:
More wonderful news from the worst spill in history, which, according to Sarah Palin, is because those damned environmentalists stopped the good people at the oil companies from drilling in safe places, like national parks, and national heritage areas, and forced them to drill in deep water.

http://services.newsweek.com/id/238620



SHe has a point, of course. It is safer, and easier, to drill for oil on land than at sea.
It is certainly easier to prevent of fix problems on land (we are land animals, don't you know) than a mile under water. You have to be a Green not see that and to be fixated on 'Uhhh,  look what Palin said'.




You have to be a very "special" kind of right wing extremist to highlight the environmental movement's  opposition to oil drilling in environmentally sensitive areas, over the safety failings of an immensely wealthy and profitable oil company.

BP has a poor record on following correct safety procedures, especially when it costs money to do so.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126564739&ft=1&f=2
(this is a little background on the BP texas explosion where 15 men died, which happened to be on land, which should be safe as pie if Palin's argument were not so puerile.)
The philosophy of just hoping everything goes OK is certainly not good enough when human lives, and environmental catastrophes are the consequence for avoidance of safety, in favour of delivering a higher return to the shareholders.

So of note in Palin's attitude is that she seems to have a terribly biased attitude against any environmental concerns, and little concern about the big energy companies abiding by safe practices, which is a double whammy of wrongheadedness that only the most extreme, and ignorant neocon could ever justify.
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Reply #19 - Jun 7th, 2010 at 12:50pm
 
Palin might have a point, but it's her interest in this argument which is spurious. There are a minority of Alaskans who've been trying to override federal legislation to get oil and gas projects approved for years.

Resources companies, you see, pay taxes. Everybody's happy - except the fish.

Anyway, you wouldn't expect the former governor of a state with the second largest oil spill in the world to come out in defense of the oil companies, but that's Palin for you.

She's got a big heart, that woman, a heart of gold.
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Reply #20 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 8:18pm
 
BP should definitely be liable for the damage this oil spill has done on the gulf of Mexico, and lets hope the cost for the remedy are not socialised like the GFC was, but to some extent all the people must share some of the blame for this disaster because if the people would not consider it their right to drive Toorak Tractors to transport one person, there would be a lot less demand for energy, the oil price would plummet and the oil companies would not spend the money to explore for oil in deep water.
A motor car is a very convenient means of transport, unfortunately many people use it as an ego-booster, bigger, better and producing more pollution.Looking at the hundreds or maybe thousands different models of cars, the energy consumption for producing this different cars is an enormous waste of energy and could be greatly reduced by limiting the number of models, with parts interchangeable, but can any one imagine what this would do to the economy?
But can anyone image what will be the enviromental effect when all the people in India and China start to consume like all of us in the developed countries, and can anyone tell them that they are not entitled to it.
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Reply #21 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 1:35am
 
The only way to solve this problem is to empty the reservoir and to sell the contents for premium profits.
They can't plug the hole because the pressure (which has been substantially lowered from it's initial state) may cause bursts in other areas which have thus far withstood the eons of time without a single dollar reaching the hands of any individual.

..Yes I'm being wayyyy sarcaaaaaastic  Cool

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Reply #22 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 9:45am
 
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Amid the hardship and devastation of the oil spill, some Louisiana locals are diving into the cleanup and unearthing a goldmine, earning the nickname "spillionaires."

From contractors to portable toilets, these locals profit from cleanup effort. Steve Young  is trucking portable toilets -- 130 of them -- to a new BP housing complex erected this week in Venice, La. He isn't a millionaire yet but he hopes to be, and he has 500 more toilets ready to go.

"We are probably doing double or triple what we normally do in a month like this," said Young, the owner of Event Restroom.

In the frenzy to mop up the oil spill, now is in its 59th day, BP has thrown more than $1.5 billion into the labor-heavy response. Its local logistics manager has enlisted more than 200 contractors in this parish alone.

Contractor JD Futch is supervising a mini city of temporary housing units in Venice, which this week becomes home to 1,000 cleanup workers -- tripling the parish's population.

Futch currently has 500 locals on his payroll. He used to have 11.



http://abcnews.go.com/WN/spillionaires-hope-cash-bp-cleanup-continues/story?id=1...


Well that just makes it all okay then.
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Reply #23 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 11:35am
 
We all know how Americans love to lambaste foreigners with their self-righteous indignation (a la what they've done to Tony Hayward - not that BP shouldn't be held accountable), but will the US Senate and American public follow Britain's lead by levelling the same fury at its own head of state/government, George Bush as the British have with Tony Blair over Iraq?

If they did, then Australia (America's puppy in most things cultural, military and political) would follow suit in condemning Howard for the same reason.

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Reply #24 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 11:39am
 


Alas, Helian...we live in vain hope...

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Reply #25 - Jun 22nd, 2010 at 5:37pm
 
NOAA has the following information site for this spill, which may be of interest!

http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/dwh.php?entry_id=809
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Reply #26 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 8:15am
 
Holy oil slick batpoop, that is one heck of a lot of garbage in our ocean, and now our air as well it seems.
This was a small quote from perceptions link;

"In total, 275 burns have been conducted to remove more than 9.32 million gallons of oil from the water. "

Well if they have burned around 10 MILLION gallons, how many million gallons are floating around in suspension at those super deep levels?

These guys should never been allowed to drill at such incredibly massive depths, it is just so wrong on so many levels.
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Reply #27 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 8:37am
 
mozzaok wrote on Jun 24th, 2010 at 8:15am:
Holy oil slick batpoop, that is one heck of a lot of garbage in our ocean, and now our air as well it seems.
This was a small quote from perceptions link;

"In total, 275 burns have been conducted to remove more than 9.32 million gallons of oil from the water. "

Well if they have burned around 10 MILLION gallons, how many million gallons are floating around in suspension at those super deep levels?

These guys should never been allowed to drill at such incredibly massive depths, it is just so wrong on so many levels.


It's hard to even imagine the extent of the damage created by this disaster. The oil and the burnoffs are killing off a massive amount of marine animals - not to mention the livelihoods of thousands of people and it's only getting worse.

This eruption is greater than the Exxon Valdez spill where 20 years of legal action from locals trying to get compensation from Exxon ended up in virtually nothing for those whose lives were ruined. Whole towns were killed off and the collateral damage is still apparent today.

How much can this poor planet take and what unseen damage is this oil spill creating, not only visibly, but below the earth's layer.

If we have to look at the most destructive nation - it would be the US with their greed for excess of everything.

This sort of carelessness created by short cuts and not following safe procedures should be brought before the International Court. These oil companies don't listen and are not regulated.  

There are plenty of oil spills around Australia's coast also, although not of this magnitude - but the media gives them little attention.

What happens when we experience a disaster similar to this? Recently oil drilling has been approved 20 kms off the Central Coast. If there's an accident - a huge proportion of the east coast will be affected.

The reason we don't invest properly in alternatives for fuel is because these greedy multinationals have control of our governments and they don't want the competition.

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Reply #28 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 9:21pm
 
A few days ago I was hearing people saying that the oil well cannot be capped because the technology does not exist to deal with the unprecedented pressure from the unprecedented depth of this well. Now I am seeing the same views being expressed in online networks, and that there is a coverup going on about how bad this is, and that it actually cannot be stopped.
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Reply #29 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 10:59pm
 
I don't know how accurate this is, but I read today that there may be fissures around the well that could potentially start leaking too.
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