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Reply #30 - May 10th, 2010 at 5:34pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 5:26pm:
Everybody can make use of a mediocre meter-reader or clerk, but a mediocre dancer is of absolutely no use to anybody beyond drunken night-club buffoons.

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Reply #31 - May 10th, 2010 at 7:50pm
 
lol indeed, that was funny imp, but sadly incredibly wide of the mark.
We all love to dance, we all love to sing, and we al love to act, but we expect these talents to appear miraculously, without training or nurturing those talents until a child displays some sign of being gifted in one of those areas.

To not teach them to all kids would be like not teaching kids to read and write until they display a brilliant innate flair for language, or maths unless the child is a human calculator anyway.

To leave it until kids are teens, too afraid of looking uncool to ever try anything they may not be naturally good at, is possibly leaving it a bit late, but to have it in preschools, and primary schools will see kids developing a degree of proficiency, and a natural respect for areas to long neglected.
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Reply #32 - May 10th, 2010 at 8:14pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 3:46pm:
So yes, I do believe that children can be recovered from some types of autism.

Annie, your daughter's lucky to have family dedicated to giving her all the encouragement and assistance she needs.

I have only ever met Apserger's people and although most are at least a little odd, they're not as afflicted as those further along the spectrum.

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Reply #33 - May 11th, 2010 at 12:33am
 
mozzaok wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 7:50pm:
lol indeed, that was funny imp, but sadly incredibly wide of the mark.
We all love to dance, we all love to sing, and we al love to act, but we expect these talents to appear miraculously, without training or nurturing those talents until a child displays some sign of being gifted in one of those areas.

To not teach them to all kids would be like not teaching kids to read and write until they display a brilliant innate flair for language, or maths unless the child is a human calculator anyway.

To leave it until kids are teens, too afraid of looking uncool to ever try anything they may not be naturally good at, is possibly leaving it a bit late, but to have it in preschools, and primary schools will see kids developing a degree of proficiency, and a natural respect for areas to long neglected.


I don't think I was saying that these skills just spontaneously come into being. Many kinds of genius are predicated upon diligence and persistence. As you wrote (and I assumed) in your previous post, subjects like dance, art, and drama should be elevated in school curriculums so the time assigned for their teaching would be on par, or at least approaching, the time spent spent on math, reading and writing. This is where I take objection. Maybe you weren't saying that. Of course, I'm not saying that these subjects should be taught, but frankly, they are not useful skills for the vast majority of students, even the ones that are extremely intelligent. It is a good thing to include such subjects in curriculums however; pinpointing the gifted who would not ordinarily be discovered outside school is a worthy endeavour. You can figure out who is worth nurturing in particular fields pretty early too.

It might even be a good idea after we discover who the genuinely artistically talented are to allow them the option of a different curriculum with a greater emphasis on art. Customized curriculums that suit the strengths and weaknesses of particular students, earlier than they are introduced now, is an idea I've always thought was a pretty good one. Too much time is wasted at present trying to teach simpletons trignometry rather than knowing how to calculate the basic interest in a loan.

I just had a brainflash for psychometric examinations that attempt to approximate artistic, musical etc. aptitude with high validity (according to a standard, of course). I wonder if it's possible?
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Reply #34 - May 11th, 2010 at 1:05am
 
you aren't getting it Imp, it is about providing a wholistic approach to education, and development, and it is in the early childhood, and primary school kids that we need to concentrate, while their brains are still making connections like they never will again.
It is about opening up pathways to allow people to more fully utilise at least a little more of what our minds can do for us.

When we learn to use more of our brains, we may become more flexible in how we employ them, which would serve us well to meet the challenges of a changing world.

At the very least it is worth trying, because the worst case scenario is that more kids could enjoy school, and fewer may feel excluded, among other positives.
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Reply #35 - May 11th, 2010 at 1:15am
 
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you aren't getting it Imp, it is about providing a wholistic approach to education, and development, and it is in the early childhood, and primary school kids that we need to concentrate, while their brains are still making connections like they never will again.


Any evidence that what is taught in schools already doesn't already satisfy these goals? Is there any evidence that a more 'holistic approach to education' (if what we have already now doesn't approach or equal that) allow us to fully 'utilise what our minds will do for us?', whatever that means. All sounds very vague to me. I don't even know what you objected to in my previous post.

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The worst case scenario of what I think you're proposing (but am unsure) is probably a whole lot of people who are more undeveloped in areas that really matter than they should be. Not exactly disasterous, but mildly pernicious, not to mention a waste of time and money.
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Reply #36 - May 17th, 2010 at 3:50pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 4:25pm:
Annie Anthrax wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 3:46pm:
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Is it possible, do you think, to overcome autism or just the symptoms of autism?


My daughter was competely non-verbal until she was almost 5. She didn't want to interact with us, avoided eye contact etc. She wanted to spend her day spinning in front of the radio or jumping on the trampoline.

We spent every spare cent we had on ABA therapy (which we chose after doing a lot of research because it had proven results), and when the money ran out I learnt to design and implement the programs myself. I also did the Hanen program which teaches parents how to provide speech therapy at home.

She's 8 now. This is her first year in a mainstream school. She has friends, tells us she loves us all the time, is a brilliant gymnast and swimmer, and rarely spends any time alone. At her old school she received the student of the year award. There are no problems with change or stimming at all. The only 'residue' left is that her speech is a little thick - kinda like a deaf child, which we're working on through play based programs.

She's worked hard and I'm incredibly proud of her.

So yes, I do believe that children can be recovered from some types of autism.



Annie that's great news... Obviously there's a lot more possibility of overcoming the disorder than most of us realise.


Wow. That is a wonderful story. I cannot imagine the hard work you had to go through but I can imagine the love and willingness to go to the poor house if needs be. Thank you for sharing that. Smiley
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Reply #37 - May 17th, 2010 at 7:26pm
 
Any attempt to teach children to dance in school is bound to crush their spirit rather than inspire them. Remember, school curriculums have to be something that not only all children, but all parents are willing to have imposed on their children. That rules out anything fun or interesting. I remember being taught the heel and toe polka in primary school. I tried it out in a nightclub some time later, but it just didn't cut it. A surprising success was reciting Shakespear, though obviously in a different setting.
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Reply #38 - May 17th, 2010 at 7:59pm
 
freediver wrote on May 17th, 2010 at 7:26pm:
I remember being taught the heel and toe polka in primary school. I tried it out in a nightclub some time later, but it just didn't cut it.

I dunno if I think in pictures... But I'm getting that image loud and clear.

I'm not gonna touch it, but geez I think with a bit of a workshop you could knock that one out of the park.

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