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May 10th, 2010 at 9:06am
 
I watched the movie “Temple Grandin” last night (the famous high functioning autistic woman) and have been reading about her since she was raised to prominence by Oliver Sacks in his book “An Anthropologist on Mars”.

Her claim is that she cannot think in words, only in pictures and, while most of us, to some degree, think in pictures (or at least are conscious of it) she claims to think exclusively in pictures – which is why she can understand animal minds so easily.

This concept (thinking in pictures) is fundamental to Tony Buzan’s ideas of mind mapping. He claims that all great original thinkers thought in pictures (e.g. Leonardo da Vinci) and to demonstrate its potential he has used his mind mapping techniques on troubled underachieving children who, after 6 months, manifested improvements up to 5 times greater than what would have been expected.

Grandin claims that word thinking masks or disengages the primary instinct of picture (or sensory) thinking such that our thoughts are largely restricted to what words allow us to think.

Maybe our obsession with language skills blinds us (pun intended) to the brain’s primary motivation – sensory based thinking - to the point that (as Grandin claims) we devalue education in art.

Here she is on TED


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Reply #1 - May 10th, 2010 at 11:15am
 
As the mother of an autistic child, I have mixed feelings about Temple Grandin. When my daughter was first diagnosed, Temple's achievements gave me hope that she could live a relatively normal and independent life. As time passed and my little girl made so much progress, I began to hope for more for her. Marriage etc. While Temple seems happy enough with her animals, it seems to be a lonely existence.


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Grandin claims that word thinking masks or disengages the primary instinct of picture (or sensory) thinking such that our thoughts are largely restricted to what words allow us to think.

Maybe our obsession with language skills blinds us (pun intended) to the brain’s primary motivation – sensory based thinking - to the point that (as Grandin claims) we devalue education in art.


I love this. Spot on.
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Reply #2 - May 10th, 2010 at 12:18pm
 
Annie Anthrax wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 11:15am:
As the mother of an autistic child, I have mixed feelings about Temple Grandin. When my daughter was first diagnosed, Temple's achievements gave me hope that she could live a relatively normal and independent life. As time passed and my little girl made so much progress, I began to hope for more for her. Marriage etc. While Temple seems happy enough with her animals, it seems to be a lonely existence.

Sorry to hear about your daughter. Grandin herself does stress that she is not cured of her autism and its near certain that autistic people will never be socially integrated (not in the neuro-typical sense). That's the brute fact of the disorder. However, as Grandin reiterates over and over, that does not mean the autistic person cannot be happy and live a fulfilled life... As Grandin's mother insisted and fought family and doctors to prove... "Temple is different not less"... And that is how Grandin has lived her life.

I don't see any reason to think that Temple Grandin is unhappy... On the contrary, she seems positively enlivened, passionate and animated in her quest for animal rights and the advancement of autistic people. How many neuro-typical people do you know who wouldn't achieve even a fraction of what Grandin has done... Who have to live with a feeling of emptiness even with all the "benefits" of "normal" social integration.
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Reply #3 - May 10th, 2010 at 1:19pm
 
"Neuro-typical" lol

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Reply #4 - May 10th, 2010 at 1:31pm
 
You're a classy dude, Imperium.
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Reply #5 - May 10th, 2010 at 1:35pm
 
You should see me when I'm drunk.
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Reply #6 - May 10th, 2010 at 1:37pm
 
No thanks. You make me sick to my stomach as it is.
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Reply #7 - May 10th, 2010 at 1:38pm
 
No fair!
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Reply #8 - May 10th, 2010 at 1:52pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 1:19pm:
"Neuro-typical" lol

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Actually that's exactly where I first read the term. I have a close family member who has Asperger's.
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Reply #9 - May 10th, 2010 at 1:56pm
 
Yeah, I have Aspergers Syndrome too (though admittedly I don't really think I have suffered any, or many, of the symptoms since I was about eighteen). I do like poking fun at many of the people who have it though and their funny expressions like "neurotypical" and "normie".
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Reply #10 - May 10th, 2010 at 2:00pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 1:56pm:
Yeah, I have Aspergers Syndrome too (though admittedly I don't really think I have suffered any, or many, of the symptoms since I was about eighteen). I do like poking fun at many of the people who have it though and their funny expressions like "neurotypical" and "normie".

No one seems to mind admitting it these days... whether they have the disorder or not, I'm guessing... It's cool to count the likes of Einstein and Mozart as "brothers".
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Reply #11 - May 10th, 2010 at 2:10pm
 
How many of those "this historical figure has Aspergers" things have any validity at all though? I've seen nearly every brilliant person in history classified with the disorder. The only ones I have acknowledged that may have been right were Adolf Hitler and Enoch Powell, but even then I'm still not convinced at all. Maybe the thing that truly makes these brilliant supposedly Autistic people brilliant is the fact that they were all incredibly intelligent. For every successful brilliant person with Aspergers, there's another 1000 sitting in their basements playing World of Warcraft all day.
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Reply #12 - May 10th, 2010 at 2:23pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 2:10pm:
How many of those "this historical figure has Aspergers" things have any validity at all though? I've seen nearly every brilliant person in history classified with the disorder. The only ones I have acknowledged that may have been right were Adolf Hitler and Enoch Powell, but even then I'm still not convinced at all. Maybe the thing that truly makes these brilliant supposedly Autistic people brilliant is the fact that they were all incredibly intelligent.

Sure... But if you want to achieve something that requires attention to detail and a lot of time, it sure helps to have a naturally extraordinarily focussed mind... There are countless thousands more incredibly intelligent people without Asperger's who do bugger all with their lives...

aikmann4 wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 2:10pm:
For every successful brilliant person with Aspergers, there's another 1000 sitting in their basements playing World of Warcraft all day.

Yep... Or collecting strange objects... Like matchboxes or (as an Asperger on the radio the other day admitted) empty underarm spray canisters.

Interestingly, Grandin herself pours scorn on computer gaming for exactly the reason you're alluding to. It wastes or distracts a potentially gifted mind from doing something significant with his innate capacity to focus.
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Oh, no doubt. The supposed "obsessions" that people with Aspergers have over intensely specific subjects (I Have never had one -- and no,  don't try saying that race and human biological differences is "my" obsession Wink ) could be extremely useful in becoming incredibly accomplished and successful in a field. But even in these cases, it just goes to show that Aspergers is just part of the equation, with the other being high intelligence -- but the highly intelligent, Aspergers or not, tend to do extremely well in the things they set their minds to regardless (look at the disproportionate successes of the Ashkenazi Jews). I've heard somebody say that Da Vinci had Aspergers for instance, but he was a polymath. Most of those post-mortem psychological diagnoses don't add up.

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Yep... Or collecting strange objects... Like matchboxes or (as an Asperger on the radio the other day admitted) empty underarm spray canisters.


Yep. I'm not really sold on the idea that overall, Aspergers and the the other disorders on the "Autistic spectrum" are societal enrichments.
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Reply #14 - May 10th, 2010 at 2:36pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 2:30pm:
and no,  don't try saying that race and human biological differences is "my" obsession Wink )

Wouldn't dream of it Wink

aikmann4 wrote on May 10th, 2010 at 2:30pm:
could be extremely useful in becoming incredibly accomplished and successful in a field. But even in these cases, it just goes to show that Aspergers is just part of the equation, with the other being high intelligence -- but the highly intelligent, Aspergers or not, tend to do extremely well in the things they set their minds to regardless (look at the disproportionate successes of the Ashkenazi Jews).

That's the great surprise in life... When the one with the average IQ who becomes motivated to achieve something and doesn't let go finds he exceeds his own expectations.

When the need is great...

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