muso wrote on Apr 15^th, 2010 at 5:36pm:


That's probably right. I've missed a lot of points because the whole affair has been extremely difficult to follow. Any links to articles that can shed some light will be greatly appreciated.

That said, in my opinion, if you want to put your conclusions in to the public domain, then you should put your data in to the public domain as well. The law doesn't agree with me, but I think one day it will.

This is an interesting thread. I am in agreement with soren, partly for the reasons we have outlined above, but also because the withholding of the data gives soren and other deniers ammunition.

muso wrote on Apr 16^th, 2010 at 4:01pm:



SO on top of everything else, now they are trying to introduce a new way of doing science: patenting your data so other scientists who want to perform scientific research (and falsify your findings, the bastards) can be refused on some phoney user pays grounds. Did they buy the data themselves? I mean did East Anglia Uni pay all the weather stations for their reading over the years?

Soren wrote on Apr 16^th, 2010 at 4:37pm:


On top of what everything? Didn't you read the House of Commons Report?

There was no data manipulation. Wake up to yourself. The Russian Secret service obviously have managed to whitewash you pretty well.

muso wrote on Apr 19^th, 2010 at 4:16pm:



That is beautiful!

Thatcher sets up climate research to discredit the miners. As always, the idea gets out of hand, apocalypse is forecast, the world will drown and fry within a century, it was prophesied to great applause, Nobel Prizes all round and an Oscar thrown in to  show that the scientific and 'artistic' communities at least, have reached consensus.

But then those damn Russkies, once again under the bed - or whatever it is this time that they happen to be hiding under - are trying to scuttle it all. It's Shtarker, I tell you, Chief. The KGB/Kaos tranformed itself in more ways than one since Thatcher's days and they have turned their minds to discrediting AGW to save Russia's oil and coal income (presumambly), or for some other reason, the science is not yet settled on that one.


Did you know that Joseph Heller was a writer on Get Smart? AGW is the new Catch 22. Absolutely unfalsifiable. That is brilliant for a supposedly scientific thesis. Very elegant, congratulations.

mozzaok wrote on Apr 19^th, 2010 at 9:10pm:



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Soren wrote on Apr 19^th, 2010 at 7:30pm:



You know what? I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you understand the science. You just like being contrarian. You don't like people telling you that you must do something for your own good.  

Well join the club. Do you think I totally accept every official view just because it's official?

Do you think I enjoy telling you what I know to be the truth?

I've never fitted willingly into any mould. I am the person who refuses to accept how to vote cards from any political party because I make up my own mind on issues before the day.

I'm the person who absconded from University pracs (going back a few years now) because I preferred the company of a certain girl, and wrote them up the day before the assessment. (My final mark didn't suffer)

I'm also the person who almost got arrested in part of Africa for speaking my mind about an Army General who was a buffoon.

My position on religion is obviously non conventional.

So if you just like arguing against the establishment, you're wasting your time with me.

I haven't even been to any public Global Warming presentations, so you can't accuse me of being brainwashed.  (OK I went to one and was bored shitless)

Yeah - It's a situation where you can't win - like the Secretary who was fed up with not being able to join the club she was the secretary of.

- So she established her own club for secretaries in the same situation. Pretty soon the club was doing very well and they adopted a constitution that stated than they were obliged to accept any secretaries who were prevented from membership of their respective clubs.

Then they has to employ a secretary, and the secretary wanted to join the club.....

Of course she was ineligible to join because of the constitution.
Now due to the fact that she was denied membership of the club she worked for, the club was obliged to take her on as a member, but if they granted her membership, she'd be ineligible to join.......  

Catch 22.