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Re: CO2 and the 800 year lag.
Reply #105 - Apr 28^th, 2010 at 1:49pm

Grendel wrote on Apr 26^th, 2010 at 6:58pm:

.... and also the CO2 there which radiates heat away from the Earth back into space must have a bearing on how much heat reaches the Earth in the first place. Roll Eyes

Ok, since you brought it up, how much of a part does it play in the overall energy balance? I've given you a clue. You just have to Google the Earth's energy balance. In fact I'm sure I've posted a diagram at some stage in the past showing the various energy fluxes of which your little flux is just one.

Of course, the important factor in all this is the net effect. Add up all these effects and what is the net effect? Heating or cooling?

Looking at that net effect, is it any different to what we've been saying all along? ???

This particular gem is like a schoolboy learning about electronics. He knows that an amplifier is designed to increase sound. He looks inside the box and what does he find? Resistors! heaps of them. He knows that resistors reduce current, and there are a lot more resistors than transistors. It's all one big plot. The amplifier is full of resistors, so it must be actually reducing the sound level, not amplifying it.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: CO2 and the 800 year lag. Reply #106 - Apr 28^th, 2010 at 3:40pm Oh your the big expert I was relying on you to know.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: CO2 and the 800 year lag. Reply #107 - Apr 28^th, 2010 at 4:12pm Grendel wrote on Apr 28^th, 2010 at 3:40pm: Oh your the big expert I was relying on you to know. That's your problem. You rely on experts rather than researching the subject yourself. If you want to be a skeptic, be skeptical of everything you read.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: CO2 and the 800 year lag. Reply #108 - Apr 28^th, 2010 at 5:23pm Oh I am... unlike yourself. How do you suppose I research the subject myself without relying on experts? At least I don't rely on pseudo experts such as yourself for all my information.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: CO2 and the 800 year lag. Reply #109 - Apr 29^th, 2010 at 8:58am Grendel wrote on Apr 28^th, 2010 at 5:23pm: Oh How do you suppose I research the subject myself without relying on experts? Let me guess. You read Climate Denialist blogs, and you read a chapter of Plimer every night before saying your prayers.
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Re: CO2 and the 800 year lag.
Reply #110 - Apr 29^th, 2010 at 10:38am

muso wrote on Apr 28^th, 2010 at 1:49pm:

This particular gem is like a schoolboy learning about electronics. He knows that an amplifier is designed to increase sound. He looks inside the box and what does he find? Resistors! heaps of them. He knows that resistors reduce current, and there are a lot more resistors than transistors. It's all one big plot. The amplifier is full of resistors, so it must be actually reducing the sound level, not amplifying it.

This is an excellent analogy. Probably over beo's head, but an excellent analogy.

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mozzaok Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 6741 Melbourne Gender:	Re: CO2 and the 800 year lag. Reply #111 - Apr 29^th, 2010 at 12:13pm Well I am a science dummie, I do not get the technical significance of the amplifier analogy, but I did with the dandelion one, that was very useful to help me visualise the process going on. I like analogies, especially ones I understand, lol.
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Re: CO2 and the 800 year lag.
Reply #112 - Apr 29^th, 2010 at 4:05pm

mozzaok wrote on Apr 29^th, 2010 at 12:13pm:

Well I am a science dummie, I do not get the technical significance of the amplifier analogy, but I did with the dandelion one, that was very useful to help me visualise the process going on.
I like analogies, especially ones I understand, lol.

Maaate.... you sure have a VERY selective undertanding of science and the experts whose scientific advice you accept if you are still smoking and consider quitting only 'coz it's getting too expensive.

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mozzaok wrote on Apr 29^th, 2010 at 3:33pm:

Geez, I said I would quit if they hit $20, but I think I may try again now, it is getting silly.

Definition of a ciggy is a tube with a fire at one end and a fool at the other. Grin

lol is the mot just.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: CO2 and the 800 year lag. Reply #113 - Apr 29^th, 2010 at 4:12pm or l'acronyme just if you prefer.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: CO2 and the 800 year lag. Reply #114 - Apr 29^th, 2010 at 5:09pm so nothing really sensible or constructive as usual I see. I read lots of sites and info actually. Both sides of the debate. Unlike some here. I don't own Plimers book and I don't read blogs as such.
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