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Reply #45 - Apr 5th, 2010 at 8:18am
 
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by using scientifically developed rules of observation


What are these rules, and how was the scientific method used to develop them?
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Reply #46 - Apr 5th, 2010 at 8:54am
 
Scientific fields are commonly divided into two major groups: natural sciences, which study natural phenomena (including biological life), and social sciences, which study human behavior and societies. These groupings are empirical sciences, which means the knowledge must be based on observable phenomena and capable of being tested for its validity by other researchers working under the same conditions.[3]
From;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

Asking pointless questions repeatedly never seems to bore you it seems FD.

Rather than actually discuss meaningful aspects of a subject, instead you seem determined to concern yourself with quibbling over minutiae of terminolgy instead, in some petty attempt to gather imaginary points in some debate of logics that seems to exist in your imagination.


The whole point of the original post was to bring up for discussion the proposition that we, as evolving, thinking, people, may be able to better understand morals, and moral questions, and in doing that improve the experience of all people.
That seems like a decent enough objective to me, and the fact that some people instead choose to focus on some vague concept of protecting religious organisations from losing total authority over the subject of morality, seems small minded in the extreme.
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Reply #47 - Apr 5th, 2010 at 8:59am
 
It think it was extremely petty to turn it into a silly science vs religion debate, by pretending science had something to offer and by making childish attacks on religion.

But that is what he wanted, isn't it? It's a bit late now to claim the moral high ground.
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Reply #48 - Apr 5th, 2010 at 9:57am
 
Soren wrote on Mar 27th, 2010 at 10:02pm:
mozzaok wrote on Mar 27th, 2010 at 6:15pm:
naturally dismissive of religious views on morality, as is only right. Wink


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See? You have been right all along, champ.  That's the advantage of  making up your mind in advance. Whatever is said will only confirm what you thought at the beginning. Too easy.



On this I have 100% to agree with you.
This “lecture” is just another example of the “intellectual power” of ready made Disneyland surface society. Everything what he said is anti-intellectual, non-creative and designed for Big Mack brain consumers.

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
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Re: Science and Morality
Reply #49 - Apr 5th, 2010 at 10:15am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 5th, 2010 at 8:59am:
It think it was extremely petty to turn it into a silly science vs religion debate, by pretending science had something to offer and by making childish attacks on religion.

But that is what he wanted, isn't it? It's a bit late now to claim the moral high ground.


Well duhh! As long as religion keeps declaring itself the font of all moral knowledge then it is only natural that those who absolutely reject such ludicrous claims would be put into an imposed adversarial position with religion.

Religion does have some degree of control in this regard.
STOP MAKING BS CLAIMS.

The simple fact of the matter is that relgiously contrived morality is appallingly incosistent, and albeit they untruthfully (read once more they are absolutely liars) claim the golden rule as their own, they in fact teach their followers to not treat others as they would wish to be treated, they demonise and marginalise and seek to punish those who do not mirror their contived idiocy.

So for those of us who think that humans are capable of developing much more universally applicable moral imperatives than the ones that religion dishes out, we applaud the fact that working towards that end has begun.
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Reply #50 - Apr 5th, 2010 at 12:04pm
 
What moral dogma is devoid of inconsistency?

Religion can claim the moral high ground because at the moment it is the moral high ground. If he wants to replace it with something, he should come up with something better. Attacking religion is not going to produce anything worthwhile, just piss off potential allies.
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Reply #51 - Apr 5th, 2010 at 12:07pm
 
That's the problem with the golden rule - it's only as good as the person who is saying it.

Would you want a masochist to do unto you what he would have you do unto him?
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Reply #52 - Apr 5th, 2010 at 4:13pm
 
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Would you want a masochist to do unto you what he would have you do unto him?


There is no such thing as a masochistic religious person helian. Grin

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Reply #53 - Apr 5th, 2010 at 6:56pm
 
Doesn't common law fit the bill of what this guy is asking for? With a few exceptions:

1) Religious people were not specifically excluded from its formulation, even in secular societies. This alone should demonstrate how silly this guy is for pretending religion is some kind of barrier to what he proposes.

2) It isn't universal. Judges are not averse to borrowing from across jurisdictions, but I suspect they would be to borrowing across cultures. However, any lack of universality is going to be an equal problem for a moral code.

3) It is detailed. However, morals, like values, inevitably conflict, and it is the resolution of this conflict that poses the tricky questions and puts our morals to the test.

4) Common law reflects changing societal values over time. I'm not sure how this differs from morals.
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Reply #54 - Apr 5th, 2010 at 10:34pm
 
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There is no such thing as a masochistic religious person helian.


Well that's not right.
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