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Reply #15 - Mar 23rd, 2010 at 12:50am
 
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Reply #16 - Mar 23rd, 2010 at 1:33pm
 
Imperium, I think everyone's waiting for the long post about how Obama can't possibly make a go of things because he's straight out of a coconut tree, etc, backed up by 1930s eugenic theories, Nazi racial policies, and a few stats thrown in to prove the inherent inability of the "darker races" to do anything other than pick cotton.

I could be wrong, but...

(to be continued...)
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Reply #17 - Mar 23rd, 2010 at 1:45pm
 
Karnal has degenerated into a worthless travesty of himself, which is a shame because he was considerably more tolerable before he flipped poo and went bonkers at Soren with his ridiculous parody in the previous thread. I think you'll find I share the same level of disdain for George W. Bush, John McCain and Bill Clinton as I do for Barack Obama.

Your transparent accusations of my putative Nazism are getting old, Karnal. Though my recent learning of your ethnic heritage has shed some light and understanding on your behaviour; you are a race hustler and an agitator, and your attitudes are directly a result of your own inferiority complexes concerning your own ethnic group.

Wink Wink Wink

See? I can do that too, Karnal. Doesn't mean sh!t.
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Reply #18 - Mar 23rd, 2010 at 2:44pm
 
Sorry, what's my racial grouping again?

Otherwise, you're right. I'm certainly a worthless travesty.

I am sensing a post coming on though, Imperium. I can feel it...
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Reply #19 - Mar 23rd, 2010 at 3:26pm
 
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Sorry, what's my racial grouping again?



Send me your photograph, a skin sample and an authenticated copy of your genealogical records, please.
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Reply #20 - Mar 23rd, 2010 at 3:34pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2010 at 3:26pm:
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Send me your photograph, a skin sample and an authenticated copy of your genealogical records, please.


Ah. You'll want the callipers too then, Imperium. You'll need to measure my hooked nose and hunchback.

Good grief - I've never thought of this. Maybe I was racially contaminated some time back. Heavens!

Maybe - and I don't say this lightly - there's a touch of the tarbrush in me. How would you know?

Now you've got me worried. I'm going to need a thorough examination. How do they do it?

I hope it's not painful.
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Reply #21 - Mar 24th, 2010 at 10:09pm
 
Once disdainers, now praisers... Go figure.

Once Opponents, Insurers Back Effort to Make Health Reform Succeed
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1974757,00.html
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Reply #22 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 2:44pm
 
Yes, I wonder what could be motivating the health insurers to come around to the package.

Could it be the 31 million new insurance premiums paid for by the Feds?

No no no. The health insurance and pharmaceutical industries have just changed their policy direction. They want increased social good, universal healthcare, a safety net, etc, etc, etc. They want to be part of this new social experiment: the American welfare state.

Funny how Time magazine didn't ask why.
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Reply #23 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 2:54pm
 
Yeah, I think blind Freddy can see why.

The important issue is that the arse is falling out of the Republican crackpot front. The insurance companies poured millions into the "No" campaign.

What will be its legacy, will be not only the memory of an ugly campaign of fear, lies and loathing, but a racist attack on a prominent US leader with echoes of the racist bitterness of the Civil rights movement that so shocked America into graphic realisation of the evil still close to its heart 100 years after the end of slavery.

Will questions be asked of how fundamentally has America really moved forward, or is US racial enlightenment the thinnest of thin veneers?
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Reply #24 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 3:31pm
 
Before the war US healthcare was similar to most other developed countries. That is to say, it was free market, but there was some state involvement. The primary state involvement consisted of the licensing of physicians, which was (and is) done by the states and typically in accordance with American Medical Association guidelines. There were also some public hospitals in most states in an attempt to help the needy. Typically people paid for healthcare out of pocket (ie, cash) and there were insurance plans available for catastrophic events.

The real change came during World War 2. FDR had previously toyed with socialized healthcare in the 1930s but abandoned it. During the war, to control inflation, companies were not allowed to compete for workers on the basis of wages. They were, however, allowed to compete on the basis of benefits, and Congress created a new type of health insurance in which the insurer basically paid all healthcare expenses. Imagine having automobile insurance which paid for repairs and gasoline. These plans multiplied rapidly as corporations offered them to get workers. Postwar Truman again toyed with national healthcare, but decided the existing system was working. Before long nearly all Americans and their families were covered by employer provided healthcare. This new system was inherently problematic in that patients no longer had an incentive to ration their healthcare nor did doctors. Even insurers don't really have an incentive to since they can just raise premiums. Around the same time legislation was passed encouraging the construction of public hospitals, so America went from having mostly private hospitals to mostly public hospitals over the next few decades.

It must be noted now that there is some degree of universality in the U.S healthcare system, in that hospital emergency rooms cannot turn away people who seek treatment regardless of their ability to pay. This humane law, in combination with the lack of universal coverage, creates problems in that uninsured people and idiots go to emergency rooms for minor healthcare issues which severely tax critical emergency room resources and send costs soaring. This is a particularly severe problem in the Southwest due to the increasing accumulation of the latino poison there.

The next major change to the system came with LBJ's "Great Society" in 1965. While most Americans did have healthcare, there was a problem with the elderly maintaining their insurance coverage. There was also an issue with indigents gaining access to healthcare, since healthcare was predicated on employment. Thus Medicare and Medicaid were created. Medicare is a single-payer universal insurance system, like Canada's healthcare, for all people over the age of 65. There is a monthly premium which is deducted from Social Security (America's pension system). Medicaid is a single-payer system for indigents, although each state runs its own Medicaid plan and receives matching funds from the federal government. After these changes America had close to de facto universal healthcare.

Cracks in the system began emerging soon. I am not sure why, but shortly after the creation of Medicare and Medicaid inflation of healthcare costs exploded. Right-wing intellectuals have long blamed Medicare and Medicaid, but I haven't examined their claims. There was a TIME Magazine cover article in 1979 however which did say that the system was a perfect model to inflate costs -- perhaps the insurance industry had a hand in the legislation? At any rate, this problem was clearly noticed in the 1970s and since then there have been half-hearted attempts to correct it. Nixon proposed universal single-payer healthcare. In the mid-1970s Congress created a new form of health insurance known as managed care (such plans are known as HMOs), in which the insurance organization is to ration care. This did not have the desired effect but did infuriate people. As healthcare costs continued to increase, deindustrialization began, and mass immigration resumed for the first time in half a century the problem of uninsured people began to emerge. Congress attempted another remedy in the 1980s by creating legislation which allowed people to continue participating in employer-provided group health insurance plans even after no longer working there, which helped rustbelt layoffs but also contributed further to healthcare inflation and declining industrial competitiveness.

Since then the system has basically continued on autopilot. The only real changes I can think of since 1985 are the creation of tax-free medical savings plans (similar to Singapore's CPF only not mandatory). There have been two attempts to create universal healthcare, in 1993 (torpedoed by Congress) and today (clusterbugger of a bill which will probably fail). Massachusetts created universal healthcare on its own under Governor Mitt Romney, though I would consider its system to be idiotic. It should be noted that there are peculiarities of the American system which make health insurance more expensive than it should be as well. Due to separate state regulatory systems, insurance cannot be purchased across state lines (this includes all forms of insurance and not just healthcare, as far as I know).

To be continued..
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Reply #25 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 3:32pm
 
Not sure, Helian. Do you think part of the backlash against Obama is racially motivated?

Sure, we know part of the presidential campaign against him was - especially in the South.

The economy is bad in the States right now. Perhaps people are turning against Obama because he seems powerless against the forces of capital.

He needs a victory badly. I hope this watered-down health thing gives it to him.
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Reply #26 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 3:41pm
 
America's lawsuit culture (and legal system generally) likely substantially increases costs, and while studies show a negligible cost increase from torts I'm not sure they take into account altered doctor behavior (e.g. performing every possible procedure to avoid getting sued, or just not seeing certain kinds of patients). While most health insurance is group (ie, an employer purchases a group plan on behalf of its employees who then copay), employers or individuals may not themselves band together to purchase group health insurance.

At any rate from this you can see that the America system is certainly not unregulated or free market, these are just cheap slogans. At the same time you can see the system is not socialist, which is also just a cheap slogan.

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In part, of course. Support for him (particularly among blacks) is also racially motivated. Black people have a tendency to vote for candidates in this way -- and when all available options are of the black variety, they vote for the one they consider the "blackest" (regardless of competency) **. How else did that degenerate criminal Marion Barry get re-elected?


**being the "blackest" (in the sense described) typically precludes competency of any kind, as "black culture", and thus black standards, is effectively dysfunctional.
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Reply #27 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 5:00pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Mar 25th, 2010 at 3:32pm:
Not sure, Helian. Do you think part of the backlash against Obama is racially motivated?

Sure, we know part of the presidential campaign against him was - especially in the South.

The economy is bad in the States right now. Perhaps people are turning against Obama because he seems powerless against the forces of capital.

Yes, well, nothing worse for your cause than stirring the ghost of hatred past with a few racial epithets directed at the man who realised the dreams of MLK.

Might just remind people of the days when a nation awoke in fright.

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Reply #28 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 10:23pm
 
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Already happened ages ago -- what that particular racial partisan really wanted has mostly been realized.

Though do you mean when he spoke dishonestly, cloaking himself with a duplicitous universalist tongue? What he called out for there has not come to pass. But that likely would not matter to him.

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Those whites who happen to live in a place like say, Over-the-Rhine, don't need to be reminded.

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Reply #29 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 11:34pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on Mar 25th, 2010 at 10:23pm:
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realised the dreams of MLK.


Already happened ages ago -- what that particular racial partisan really wanted has mostly been realized.

And closer as of 03/01/2010.

aikmann4 wrote on Mar 25th, 2010 at 10:23pm:
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Might just remind people of the days when a nation awoke in fright.


Those whites who happen to live in a place like say, Over-the-Rhine, don't need to be reminded.

Oh, but they do. And they must.

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