fawkes - I suppose you were one of the russian leaders who mindlessly signed peace agreements with hitler too?

Aww, you beat me to it Helian.

Just because you lived through the cold war, Fawkes, does not mean that you actually learned anything, obviously.

The naivety which some display, when they suggest that if we just remove all westerners, and all western influences, from what have been traditionally muslim countries, then somehow these dysfunctional places will become Islamic nirvanas, is laughable.

The sectarian violence,(home grown) will remain, the tribal rivalries,(home grown) will remain, the barbaric customs, (home grown) will remain, the mistreatment of women, (home grown) will remain, but most importantly, the extremist Islamists, will also remain.
So unless you have some insight into how you expect such an exodus of western influence, would play out, that no others have been able to predict, feel free to enlighten us.

mozza,

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Whilst you may have felt you were making sweeping compromises and radical attempts at "self-criticism" the fact is mozza you deny any culpability of the West is causing these conflicts. You still remain completely blinded and ignorant of the fact that the reason some Islamic militant groups exist is purely as a retaliation to Western hostilities. You might concede that the neo-con nutjobs didn't help things once it got going, but you'll never admit the constant arming of the occupationist state of Israel in Palestine for instance is one of the primary causes of these conflicts. Or that bombing Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. had anything to do with the Muslim militant movements retaliating.

You will never admit the West provoked these conflicts, because it means admitting "Hey maybe the other side had legitimate grievances for doing what they did".

For you that is unthinkable. You will never admit you did wrong. period.

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 10^th, 2010 at 12:10pm:



Unlike you,  who is always telling Muslims what they have done wrong and what they should admit as misdeeds.

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Well, I am of course biased to my cause. However, the situation is different. Muslims haven't gone around the world committing horrendous acts of violence against innocents, dominating everyone in their path, and then sit scratching their heads wondering why someone flies planes into their buildings.

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 10^th, 2010 at 2:31pm:

The destitution of eastern Europe, the crushing of the Hungarian uprising, the invasion of Czechoslovakia, the building of the Berlin wall, the murder of countless numbers of dissidents & etc... Were these not hostile acts?

The installation of nuclear missiles in Cuba? Is Cuba remotely close to the US?

fawkes wrote on Mar 10^th, 2010 at 8:34am:


I thought as much. You want to bring a war onto Australian soil and would happily accept all that entails. No thanks. The time for diplomacy ended with 9/11. Sometimes it is nothing more than naive to expect to be able to reason with some groups.