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Windows closed early?
Mar 2nd, 2010 at 1:55pm
 
Well, my much loved windows 7 release candidate has started it's annoting two hourly shutdowns, a few months earlier than it should have.
It started after lunch today, when it was supposed to ne the 1st of august, oh well, it was nice while it lasted.

I will be buying a new laptop soon, and all the ones I am looking at have 7 installed, but I will have to re-install XP on this pc, or else give linux another whirl.

I just don't have any luck with linux, but as this pc is now about 18 months old, perhaps the latest linux will recognise all my hardware OK, as most times before I have had trouble in that area.

Someone suggested I try Mythbuntu, or Mandriva, so I may take that for a spin, and if any of you guys have any versions you suggest would be suitable for someone who has always struggled with linux in the past, I would love to hear of them.

The retail versions of 7 are such a rip off compared to what they charge for the oem versions.
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Reply #1 - Mar 3rd, 2010 at 9:13pm
 
Second day on linux and my windows withdrawal symptoms are not too bad, I am just prettying the place up a little, and will start the arduous task of finding drivers for things like my mouse and keyboard sooner or later, I mean, it is a few years old now, so I may get lucky and find a way to get all the mouse buttons working, as well as the multimedia keys on the keyboard, but even so it still beats poor old mac mice which still are denied a scroll wheel even.

That said, the install was quick and easy, and most thiings worked straight out of the box, so way, way better than any previous attempt I have made at getting linux going.
I picked Mythbuntu 9.10 to try, and I hope I can stick it out long enough to really get the hang of it this time.
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Reply #2 - Mar 5th, 2010 at 12:21am
 
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Well, my much loved windows 7 release candidate has started it's annoting two hourly shutdowns, a few months earlier than it should have.
It started after lunch today, when it was supposed to ne the 1st of august, oh well, it was nice while it lasted.


I think August is when it completely expires and you can't use it at all. The 2 hourly shutdowns are meant to be happening already I think. I noticed they mentioned them on endgadget the other day.

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Good choice.

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and will start the arduous task of finding drivers for things like my mouse and keyboard sooner or later, I mean, it is a few years old now, so I may get lucky and find a way to get all the mouse buttons working, as well as the multimedia keys on the keyboard


Contact the manufacturer and insist they supply Linux drivers. I just have a generic multimedia keyboard and it works straight out of the box.

ubuntuforums.com is a pretty good resource too.

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I picked Mythbuntu 9.10 to try, and I hope I can stick it out long enough to really get the hang of it this time.


Going to use it as a media centre also?
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Reply #3 - Mar 5th, 2010 at 2:50pm
 
Yes, I have several hundred movies, as well as thousands of music tracks on external hard drives, and would not mind having a go at setting it up as a media centre, maybe underclock it, turn off the fans, and grab a graphics card with hdmi, even though my current card has tv out, and component, hdmi is neat.

I still need to transfer all that I wish to keep out of windows and onto another hdd, and once I have done that I will probably reformat and I may try out a mandriva distro, or even see if there is an updated version of sabayon, because I did like that when I tried it, but my PC was newish than, and drivers just could not be found.
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Reply #4 - Mar 15th, 2010 at 10:16am
 
I'm using Ubuntu now on one of my machines because Windows was getting too slow and quirky. I used Wubi to install it first off on the same partition as Windows.

It worked perfectly. Then it downloaded some upgrades and the next time it started I just ended up with a grub command line with simple bash-like commands. The Kernel didn't load.  I searched the net on Windoze and found that the grub update caused problems, so I repeated the installation and this time omitted the Grub update. I haven't turned back since.

I've managed to get everything configured the way I want it. I had a few bugs - Web cam / microphone etc, but a lot fewer than with an initial installation of Xp for example. The thing that impressed me was the fact that so many things were included in the installation, the speed of operation and the support that's available on line. I like the fact that I can choose generic alternatives to Java and Flash (I use Iced Tea and Gnash) and the freedom of the operating system.

The things that impressed me less were the problems getting out of the grub screen, the fact that fonts and layouts are not perfect on Firefox and the fact that Skype for Linux is abysmal (of course that's the fault of Skype)

The installation seemed to take forever. It used a torrent type download for the original Wubi installation and then it took ages to install all the Language packs.  
 
Overall, I'm happy with the system.

Oh - one other thing. Ubuntu actually told me that my hard drive was having health issues, so I now know why Windows was playing up. It just came up with a warning "Disk has many bad sectors" so I have a replacement on order.  That's one thing you don't get with Windows.  
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Reply #5 - Mar 18th, 2010 at 8:35am
 
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I like the fact that I can choose generic alternatives to Java and Flash (I use Iced Tea and Gnash) and the freedom of the operating system.


Sun made Java open source also. Flash isn't open source obviously, but last time I tried Gnash it wasn't worth using. But I personally don't think flash is going to be as important in the not too distant future as it is now, so Adobe flash will do for now.

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The things that impressed me less were the problems getting out of the grub screen, the fact that fonts and layouts are not perfect on Firefox and the fact that Skype for Linux is abysmal (of course that's the fault of Skype)


The new grub is definitely a lot more trouble-prone than the older grub. I think Ubuntu adopted it a little too early.

Skype works fine for me. Do you mean the client isn't as up to date as the Windows & OSX versions?

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The installation seemed to take forever. It used a torrent type download for the original Wubi installation and then it took ages to install all the Language packs. 


Never done a wubi install, but a standard install is faster than any other OS I've ever seen. Certainly faster than Windows (any version) and much faster than OSX.

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Oh - one other thing. Ubuntu actually told me that my hard drive was having health issues, so I now know why Windows was playing up. It just came up with a warning "Disk has many bad sectors" so I have a replacement on order.  That's one thing you don't get with Windows.   


Ye the new drive diagnostic tools are pretty good. This is largely due to the fact hdd manufacturers recently opened up their diagnostic protocols so OS makers could tap into them. The capability was always there, they just never published it before.

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Reply #6 - Mar 22nd, 2010 at 9:07am
 
Having used Ubuntu for a week, I've decided that it runs rings around Windows - even Windows 7.  The font issues seem to have resolved themselves.

I've told three work colleagues so far about how good it is , and now I'm going to install it on my netbook and laptop.

Skype is still a bit primitive, but at least it's useable. I use it to communicate with some family members who are overseas. The main gripe I have is not being able to optimise webcam settings within the application. Eventually they'll sort it out.

The final thing I got working was the PC Tools for my somewhat outdated Netcomm V100 VOIP ATA. All they had on the website was a Windows version of the firmware. So I installed WINE (Windows emulator) and it's now working pretty well.

There is a certain nostalgia, re-acquainting myself with Unix terms, tar files etc, from the time I worked with a Unix Mainframe in the 80's.

Some applications that are generic (non Ubuntu)  Linux require slightly less intuitive installations, but it didn't really cause too many hassles. 

I love the zoological release names.  Wink Lucid Lynx is a very stable platform.
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Reply #7 - Mar 23rd, 2010 at 8:32am
 
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Having used Ubuntu for a week, I've decided that it runs rings around Windows - even Windows 7.  The font issues seem to have resolved themselves.


Yeh Windows has only one thing going for it, familiarity, and Microsoft know it, that's why all their advertising campaigns usually focus on "familiar interface". And of course the fact the vast majority of software out there is Windows-only, but this is changing rapidly now that it's so easy to write portable software (something Microsoft is trying desperately to prevent though). It's now pretty easy to write an application that compiles for Windows, OSX and Linux without hardly any change at all, thanks largely to the Linux-based toolkits like Qt (what skype is written with).

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So I installed WINE (Windows emulator) and it's now working pretty well.


Wine is getting pretty good these days, certainly much better compatability than any Mac tools have provided.

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Some applications that are generic (non Ubuntu)  Linux require slightly less intuitive installations, but it didn't really cause too many hassles.


True, but Ubuntu has packages for pretty much everything, and it's the most supported for software that does come pre-compiled.

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I love the zoological release names.  Wink Lucid Lynx is a very stable platform.


You're using Lucid as well? It's still in beta, but it's pretty usable. I've been using it since Alpha1, it's going to be a pretty nice release when its done next month.
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Reply #8 - Mar 23rd, 2010 at 10:10am
 
Right. I now have Ubuntu on two of my three computers. The laptop was a dawdle. This time, I just downloaded the ISO and installed it from the DVD ROM, wiping Windows completely. It took me about half an hour to get everything working. Now for the Netbook.
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