freediver wrote on Apr 20^th, 2010 at 8:06pm:


Not an oversight. There's a limit to how many characters I can type in a single post, so I skipped a couple of responses.

There's a difference between making renewables cheaper through research, development and the lowering of production costs, and simply hoping that they'll become a viable option through artificially raising the price of the non-preferred product - that's a pretty unimaginative intervention, any Bozo could think that one up.
It's a similar tact to that which most managements still use today in their vain attempts to increase profits: "Work harder and longer for less pay". But in the end, the increased profits come from innovations.

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No, I think that governments need to put the whip away and encourage more innovations. God knows, it will be none of those Bozos who invent anything of real value.





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I don't think that you're being very honest of my opinions there. You are trying to twist and turn my comments.

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We have enough to make a real impact on CO2 emmissions, but we should've been far more advanced by now.

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New technologies will happen with or without you, me or our governments.
I don't need to pin any "hopes" on that. I know they will happen.

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Standover tactics never work in a positive way, they merely breed contempt. I hope that you will reassess your definition of the word "motivation".

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You tell me. If people are so smart to begin with, then why do we need schools? If an athlete has natural ability, then why do they need to train?
If a musician is talented, then why do they need lessons?
And why do innovations need public (government) encouragement? It's simply the development of what is already there.

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Yes fossil fuels are far cheaper atm. They are a limited source that have been developed over many years (relatively). There's an infrastructure in place of research, development and production that has been honed to make them the energy source of reliance, and we do rely on them.

No I don't think that we have developed enough technology in order to power multiple trainloads of cargo from Adelaide to Darwin on a regular basis without requiring fossil fuels, but I think that you're being pretty naive to think that it can't be done.
Renewable energy is not a question of perpetual motion, unless you are taking into consideration that the Sun's (or God's if you like) energy will one day run out. I won't look that far ahead.
There is energy all over the place in the form of heat and gravity that can be harnessed. And it is being harnessed in some respects, but not very efficiently atm.
So why beat about the bush with bs taxes when the only real solution in order to advance, or even to keep our status quo, requires the development of existing methods and the development of new methods to harness the energy that is already out there?

Just to be fair, I should let you know that you are up against things like this statement of consensus from economists regarding the cheapest ways to reduce GHG emissions:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/green-tax-shift/economics-hopeful-science.html

So find me one economist who disagrees with this:

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A trading scheme can also be revenue neutral. It will definitely be revenue neutral if the rights are grandfathered. This is not a good thing for the economy.

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Wouldn't it make more sense for the customer to pay for whatever power source it set up? Is your solution to start taxpayer funded subsidies for electricity? Why turn a simple thing like reducing GHG emissions into an enourmous tax and spend game for the electricity industry?

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Are you talking about me here?

Would that be the 'bloodbath' where they increased their take of the vote?

I'm not sure what you are saying. Are you agreeing with me, but for different reasons?

Well tell me, why Was Bob Brown and is congregation at that Melbourne Hotel foyer, looking absolutely shattered, and crying their eyes out late election night in Victoria 2010?

One other if you can explaine to me, why did the greens have a closed congregation gathering in the foyer of that hotel?

Was someone scared of a rogue bullet?????





freediver wrote on Nov 29^th, 2010 at 10:17pm: