Looks like the U.S has finally begun to realise that like the Soviets, British and others before them, they are swimming in quicksand. So they're going to accept to make peace with the most "evil diabolical group on the face of the earth", who ban people from flying kites.

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US commander signals peace talks with Taliban

The top US commander in Afghanistan has said a negotiated peace with the Taliban is the way forward.

Gen Stanley McChrystal told the UK's Financial Times that there had been "enough fighting" and he wanted a political solution to the conflict.

President Obama's deployment of 30,000 extra US troops to Afghanistan would weaken the Taliban enough to force it to agree a peace deal, he said.

He added that the Taliban could help run the country in future.

His comments come ahead of an international conference on Afghanistan due to be held in London later this week.

"I'd like everybody to walk out of London with a renewed commitment, and that commitment is to the right outcome for the Afghan people," Gen McChrystal said.

Recently, Afghan President Hamid Karzai told the BBC that he planned to introduce a scheme to attract Taliban fighters back to normal life by offering money and jobs.

He said he would offer to pay and resettle Taliban fighters to come over to his side.

Mr Karzai said he hoped to win backing for his plan from the US and UK at the London conference.

'Right outcome'

"As a soldier, my personal feeling is that there's been enough fighting," Gen McChrystal told the Financial Times.

"I believe that a political solution to all conflicts is the inevitable outcome. And it's the right outcome," he said.

Gen McChrystal said the arrival of the extra 30,000 US troops pledged by President Obama and the additional 7,000 troops promised by other Nato countries should deliver "very demonstrably positive" progress.

"It's not my job to extend olive branches, but it is my job to help set conditions where people in the right positions can have options on the way forward," he said.

Gen McChrystal also said that the Taliban could have a role in a future Afghan government.

"I think any Afghans can play a role if they focus on the future, and not the past," he said.

Source: BBC

Since it is a war on Islam, then victory obviously means removing Islam (and anyone who clings to it) from power and replacing them with puppets who serve the White house, instead of God.

On this front, they definitely seem to be losing.

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I see. You basically redefine the war to fit with your global anti-Islam conspiracy so that you can claim victory from defeat and defeat from victory.

If it is a war on Islam, why are so many self identified Muslims on our side?

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The fact it's a war on Islam doesn't preclude the possibility of there being traitors, sell outs, or just plain naive people.

Likewise during the Crusades, some Muslims helped the Crusaders. Likewise in Palestine some Palestinians help the Israelis and some Israelis help the Palestinians. The fact you didn't automatically know this tends to indicate your thought processes are not very advanced fd.

Abu it's pretty rare to get a war where the majority of 'one side' is supporting the other side.

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The majority are not supporting it though.

I don't know where on earth you got this hair brained idea from.

Do you think because most Muslim rulers (ie. the West's little lapdogs) support it, therefore their respective populaces, by implication, support it? You gotta be kidding.

Ok, let's leave the mass slaughter as a victory outcome on the side.

Did they achieve their goals? What were their goals again? To put down al-Qaedah and make them unable to carry out revenge attacks against the West... did it work? do you honestly believe all the nonsense that "al-Qaedah" today is worse off than in 2001?? The facts tend to suggest the diametric opposite.

In fact if I didn't know better, I'd think OBL actually plotted for the U.S to invade, in order to boost the popularity of his movement a million fold. His son said something along those lines in a recent interview.

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Since I don't remember saying that, I'll leave that on the side also. 

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If it's yet to be seen, why are they calling for peace with the Talibaan? I also heard today the U.N is taking some of the top Talibaan leaders off their list of individuals personally under sanctions, and lifting travel restrictions on them (under the condition they don't bring box cutters on board flights with them  )

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Come on you're not still living under this delusion of yours are you?? The Karzai puppet government controls no more than a tiny little province around Kabul, and even there they are under serious attack. If they had any chance of surviving it is long gone now. You could've optimistically said this about 2-3 years ago, but not today. Karzai and his band of warlord criminals and drug smugglers are on their last [U.S supplied] legs. He and his opium-king brother will soon be applying for U.S citizenship and immigrating.

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I really don't understand the meaning of this sentence at all. Care to elaborate?? Who was "loosely allied" to the terrorists??

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Come on, they've been carrying out worldwide attacks with even more frequency since 2001, not less.

If anything, all the U.S has done is just helped to spawn a plethora of movements all around the world, who all are getting their inspiration from what the U.S hoped to crush. Gotta be the stupidest invasion in modern history, alongside Hitler's winter invasion of Russia 

The U.S has effectively brought into existence what they falsely claimed existed in 2001. A worldwide movement of angry Muslim resistance groups, wanting revenge for all of their brutal and unwarranted intrusions into Muslim lands.