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Reply #45 - Feb 2nd, 2010 at 9:05am
 

another nail in kruddy political koffin

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NOW that Kevin Rudd has informed us that he favours a "big Australia" with a population reaching 35 million by 2050, will he also tell us what happens then? Do we continue to pursue policies that will further double our population by 2100, causing us to cease immigration altogether and then apply the Chinese solution: one child per family? And if the population is to increase to 35 million, what's the rush to get there so quickly?

Thanks to the ABC, Kerry O'Brien and The 7.30 Report, which devoted most of last week to showcasing the question of population growth, it appears that at last we are going to have the public debate some of us have been seeking for years.

I once asked in question time whether the prime minister was aware that immigration levels were causing concern because of the pressure they exert on "education, health and social services, housing and land prices and the consequent diminution in the quality of life that overcrowded cities have on our environment". I asked for a white paper on immigration to evaluate the costs and benefits of continued large-scale immigration. That was on June 10, 1970, and John Gorton's answer indicated he was none too pleased with my question. Neither was Labor's immigration spokesman Fred Daly. Having written and spoken about the issue for 40 years, I'm delighted a serious debate is about to begin.
My view then was that Australia couldn't have an immigration policy without first having a population policy. It hasn't changed.


What surprises me is that Rudd has decided to support a massive increase without the matter being debated in public, the parliament, the party or the press. I am not alone in my concern.

What advocates of big Australia haven't yet done is spelt out clearly the benefits from such a huge population increase. In the early 1990s our annual growth rate, including immigration as well as births and deaths, dropped below 1 per cent. It is now, thanks to more babies and more people living longer, almost 2 per cent.

With a population of 22 million, the deterioration in the quality of life in our cities is already obvious. Daily our media highlights the inadequacy of our schools, hospitals and transport system, housing and water shortages, and spiralling land prices. You don't need to be an urban planner, demographer or sociologist to see the problems.

If the 35 million predicted by 2050 is correct, with Sydney and Melbourne rising to seven million each, we are courting disaster. Double the population and life in the cities will be intolerable.
No, no, say the big Australians, we can take millions more. We can but who will benefit? It is up to the big Australians to show how this will improve the quality of life for present and future generations of Australians.


The Prime Minister might also care to explain why the government is telling us we must reduce our carbon footprint while suggesting we should double the number of feet. We appear to be on two different planets. Some suggest that not to share our country with millions more immigrants is selfish and that we have the responsibility to help other countries to lighten their population load.
Excuse me? What about helping them with population control?

Why has it taken so long for this debate to take place? One reason is that the ethnic lobby brands anyone who questions immigration as racist. That won't work with the type of people who are now entering the debate. People of the calibre of Dick Smith, Bob Carr and, if I may say so, yours truly can't be so labelled.

More and more Australians are speaking out on this issue and they will not be silenced out of fear of being blackguarded by those afraid to seriously debate the issue.
The pundits suggest the federal election will be fought on the economy, climate change, health care and education. To that we can aadd population and immigration. It's the big sleeper. Rudd and Tony Abbott take note. It will be a debate not about who comes to this country but how many.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/populate-and-we-will-perish/story-e...
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Re: Who wants 35 million in aussie ??
Reply #46 - Feb 2nd, 2010 at 2:37pm
 
Who our leaders are trying to please?

Why don't they fix all the shortages first?
(hospitals, roads, schools, homelessness, housing affordability)

I will not support overseas programs unless it is save the child from being born into famine and poverty.

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Reply #47 - Feb 2nd, 2010 at 3:26pm
 

You know, when you hear our politicians so enthusiastically pushing for such an outcome, you cnanot help but be filled with foreboding. I may be going out on a speculative limb here  (and this post should not be viewed as anything but such a venture), but really, men like Rudd scare the absolute poo out of me. Why is he so excited about this? Why is he advocating this patent folly with such keenness?

The guy is an absolute Sinophile. He seems to have spent more time around Chinese people and Asians more than his own people throughout his entire life, and I have heard him make statements before about how Australia cannot possibly move forward and become 'part of Asia' if it does not abandon its British symbolic heritages.

What does this guy want?
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Reply #48 - Feb 2nd, 2010 at 4:17pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 1st, 2010 at 7:44pm:
Just some friendly advice. Take it or leave it. It's up to you.

take or leave what?
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Reply #49 - Feb 2nd, 2010 at 4:52pm
 
the advice
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Reply #50 - Feb 2nd, 2010 at 5:50pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2010 at 4:52pm:
the advice

what advice, a how is it relevant?
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Reply #51 - Feb 2nd, 2010 at 6:09pm
 
aikmann4 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2010 at 3:26pm:
You know, when you hear our politicians so enthusiastically pushing for such an outcome, you cnanot help but be filled with foreboding. I may be going out on a speculative limb here  (and this post should not be viewed as anything but such a venture), but really, men like Rudd scare the absolute poo out of me. Why is he so excited about this? Why is he advocating this patent folly with such keenness?

The guy is an absolute Sinophile. He seems to have spent more time around Chinese people and Asians more than his own people throughout his entire life, and I have heard him make statements before about how Australia cannot possibly move forward and become 'part of Asia' if it does not abandon its British symbolic heritages.

What does this guy want?

he wants Aussie to be a province of China.
according to the latest opinion polls, he's not liked because of these leanings and any lib with a bit of guts will do him this year.
do you want to become part of china? i certainly don't.
i, unfortunately live in a 90% chinese suburb, Burwood.
most are renting. i like to know who really owns/controls this area, it isn't these ppl,
they aren't rich enough or smart enough.
ask me how i know this?
because i've dealt with them over the years on both a commercial and educational
level.
there might be bright one amongst this lot, somewhere, but they are not living in this area.
and OK, to the guys that run this forum.
a little about me.
i'm a professional and a professor. i have four degrees in certain areas of the arts/sciences.
i have lectured at all the uni's, college's etc.
it's a fallacy to believe, asians are smart. they are aren't. no more than any euro.
and lebs/turks, etc?
there MIGHT be smart ones, but i haven't encountered any. to me, the one's i've met come off as opportunists/businessmen. take your pick.
Australia might need a few things to improve her.
letting more of the above races in here is certainly not one of those things.
jr.


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Re: Who wants 35 million in aussie ??
Reply #52 - Feb 2nd, 2010 at 9:12pm
 
Happy wrote on Feb 2nd, 2010 at 2:37pm:
Who our leaders are trying to please?

Why don't they fix all the shortages first?
(hospitals, roads, schools, homelessness, housing affordability)

I will not support overseas programs unless it is save the child from being born into famine and poverty.



I prefer this approach. The best way to achieve it is education, women's rights, universal suffrage, and free familty planning that lets women choose what to with their bodies - ie giving them information and opportunity, not judgement. Their is a strong link between wealth and low population, with a lot of positive feedback. Haiti is a good demonstration of that.
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