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Reply #30 - Jan 26th, 2010 at 4:02am
 
Grin Sorry for the interlude, but I hope you guys stay around awhile. I haven't seen any real entertainment like this for ages.
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Reply #31 - Jan 26th, 2010 at 5:51am
 
Only idiots who go around humming, "The world owes me a livin", would not be taking stock of the severe environmental pressures the massive global population expansion has created.

Australia could easily support a much larger population, but why on earth would we want to?

To provide a home for peoples' whose traditional existence has relied on having huge families to have enough survive to support them in their old age?
To bring them here and "respect" their cultural right to continue to breed like that, even though we do not leave old people to die unless they are related to us, here in australia.

To see massive increases in "muslim" australians, who would breed themselves into a position where they could democratically introduce whatever sick dogma that muslims may believe in a few more generations?

To see the dull and stupid, continue to bring in a succession of kids to different fathers,, and expect to never have to support themselves or the kids, by actually working?

You see, that is the only way we will reach a target of 35 million people in Oz, and none of those scenarios is the least bit appealing to me.

I would rather see us promoting resposible stewardship of our country, and using our current population to get it back into good shape by living more responsible lifestyles now, not just heaping more pressure on it and hoping that somehow everything will just magically work out for the best.

Some just see people as consumers, and they just want to increase their sales by increasing the number of consumers, and I do not like that philosophy at all.





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Reply #32 - Jan 26th, 2010 at 7:49am
 
Please leave out the insults. Alevine may be excused for not knowing, being a new member, but the rest of you should know better. I will have to clean up this place again if the trend continues. You are supposed to demonstrate the standard to new members, not undermine it.

Whatever the statistics say, this is still true and applies to Australia also:

Most first world nations have a birth rate below the replacement level. It is only the stubborn refusal of old people to kick the bucket, and high immigration rates, that keeps the population rising.

Those old people are not going to live forever.
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Reply #33 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 3:14pm
 
Sunny_beach_babe wrote on Jan 25th, 2010 at 10:36pm:
1. No, Alewives is correct. Look it up  Wink

2. Perhaps when you open your other eye you might try reading it again
Here, I'll make it easy because you have comprehension difficulties
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Then factor in a decline in the birth rate over the next 10-20 years


You really are a smacking dickhead. You come in here with a smarmy smacking attitude and have been completely pw3nd.

I have thoroughly enjoyed handing you your arse on a platter. Eat up sunshine.  Grin


Haha - you come up with your own stats now?  Factor in a birth rate decline - where is this being suggested?  Koodos to you.
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Reply #34 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 3:19pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 26th, 2010 at 7:49am:
Please leave out the insults. Alevine may be excused for not knowing, being a new member, but the rest of you should know better. I will have to clean up this place again if the trend continues. You are supposed to demonstrate the standard to new members, not undermine it.

Whatever the statistics say, this is still true and applies to Australia also:

Most first world nations have a birth rate below the replacement level. It is only the stubborn refusal of old people to kick the bucket, and high immigration rates, that keeps the population rising.

Those old people are not going to live forever.


Sure freediver I'll keep it respected on my part Smiley  Apologise for getting carried away.

With your statement, the reason I have said that the population will continue to rise regardless of immigration is because of the ageing population. 

Yes, our replacement rate is below 2.1.  However, this is no longer 100% indicative because of the growing life expectancy. Because death rates are falling, the natural population increase is happening in Australia. 

Any case, might not be the most reliable source but I got it from wiki Wink
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Reply #35 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 7:34pm
 
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Yes, our replacement rate is below 2.1.  However, this is no longer 100% indicative because of the growing life expectancy.


It is indiciative of the long term trend. Or do you expect life expectancy to go on increasing forever at a rate sufficient to cancel out the low birth rate? One day this will actually have the opposite effect. There will be a much higher death rate than birth rate, because for so many generations the birth rate was below 2 per woman, so there are more people in the older generations. In fact, that is the precise problem our government is prattling on about when the mention the ageing population. The 'big' generations are nearing retirement and will soon be a burden. Then they will be nearing death and will soon be impacting population statistics.
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Reply #36 - Jan 28th, 2010 at 10:03pm
 

a few passionate comments here. could be a good topic

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BILLIONAIRE property developer Harry Triguboff believes Australia's population will soar to 55 million by 2050, but hopes it will reach 100 million.
With a new person being added to the country's total population every minute of the day, Australia's population growth is faster than Britain, the US and the EU.

"Our population growth is certainly twice that of China,'' University of Adelaide demographer Professor Graeme Hugo told ABC Television today.

The growth is being driven by more babies and immigration.

The Federal Government favours a "big Australia'', and wants to increase the country's headcount from 22 million to 35 million by 2050, largely by immigration.

Mr Triguboff believes that figure is too conservative.

"I don't think there will be 35 million but about 55 million,'' he said on The 7.30 Report.

Without population growth, Mr Triguboff says the economy will stall.

"I'd like to see 100 million, because I believe we will have many things to do here besides drilling holes and selling coal,'' he said.

"Our agriculture has to be huge.

"Our desalination must be fantastic. Our rivers must flow the right way.

"It will all have to be developed.''

Entrepreneur Dick Smith disagrees.

"We need to do something about this incredible increase,'' he said at an Australian of the Year dinner in Parliament House yesterday.

Mr Smith said Australia did not have enough water or food to support millions more people.

It was crazy that seawater was being desalinated for drinking water to supply a booming population.

"I believe in 100 years time people in Australia will be starving to death,'' he said.

Responding to Mr Triguboff's comments on The 7.30 Report, Mr Smith said future generations needed to be taken into consideration.

"I'd say to Harry, `Think of your grandchildren mate, because they are going to have the difficulties that we are creating'.''

The Government wants to increase the population because it means more young taxpayers to pay the rising health and pension costs of the ageing population.

But a "big Australia'' might destroy the country's fragile and already stressed environment, former New South Wales premier Bob Carr says.

"What's wrong with a bit of space? What's wrong with the possibility of being able to get to a beach and get onto the beach ... where the opportunity of going for a walk in a national park is less than an hour's drive from the centre of the city?'' he told The 7.30 Report.

"What's wrong with these things?

"What's wrong with having headlands still in a natural state?

"What's wrong with having magnificent coastal national parks?

"Why do we have to cram (a) coastal strip with tens of millions more people?''

Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison thinks boosting the population is a "positive thing'', but has concerns about border policy.

"Anxiety levels are significantly reduced when a government is on top of its game when it comes to managing the immigration program and particularly when it comes to managing our borders, and in both of those cases, there are concerns with this Government,'' he told ABC Radio.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said today: "I think the greatest prize in the world is to be an Australian.

"I think we can only take in a certain number of people and as long as that program is run firmly in Australia's national interest we can continue to be a great country of immigrants,'' he said.




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Reply #37 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 6:40pm
 
i, for one, do not want to see another asain or turk/leb in my life, other than the ones already here.
even then i have to restrain myself from throwing up everytime i step out the door here in Burwood, NSW.
it would be OK if these types socially intermingled with us anglos, but yet don't.
and the younger arabs are actually arrogant towards anglos.
next thing, these ppl are pretty dumb, and have fallen for the line "life's better in Australia." it might be for them, but not for other that have sit in silence a tolerate this scum.
it MIGHT be better for them, as they can only go UP.
not so for anglos, we suffer because of stupid laws now that were not necessary even 20yrs ago.
so, i'm going to sell my home to any one of the stupid f^cks for the highest price i can get so they can bask in all the glory of an over-rated, polluted , rip-off of a place called Burwood. and the rest of western Sydney is just as bad, because of these races.
yep 35million will do it for Australia, put it down the drain where i'm now thinking it belongs. why not 70million? boy, what a party that'll be. 140million? break out the fake champagne and distribute it to very starving child forced to be born into such a place. it's about the only food they'll have.
this will not be a popular move, but i'm about to front Burwood Council with all this.
and i know plenty anglos in the area who will back me up, even if i don't need their support.
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Reply #38 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 7:00pm
 
If you want to be taken seriously, drop the race references.
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Reply #39 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 1:00am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 31st, 2010 at 7:00pm:
If you want to be taken seriously, drop the race references.


freediver,

i don't know where YOU live, but, i CAN tell you this.
Burwood was, up until 20yrs ago, almost totally anglo/euro.
this last 20 has seem them all move, except for some that are too old.
the reason for the move out?
chinese moving in. i know this to be true.
i got the shock of my life when i unfortunately had to move back here, after living on the lower north shore for 30yrs.
at that time, 2000, there was no  new Westfield yet, and you could swing a cat in the main road.
as soon as Westfield was open, in came the Lebs.
these ppl caused heaps of trouble in the cafes here until the cops clamped down.
almost closed a few cafes that did.
now, all there is in Burwood Rd are Arab and Chinese run cafes, and none are doing THAT well. there are just too many. i've fronted the council, but they don't have an answer.
is this all these ppl can manage to earn a buck? creating dud cafes?
i find the Australian Immigration Policy to be unreasonable.
i find the notion of increasing the population here to 35million, to be totally insane.
and we're voting for these ppl?
a reforendum is needed.
i'm SICK of being gagged.
why don't we import Euro/Brits, etc?
we can, but they won't come here, because of the Chinese and Arabs.
i also know this to be true.
freediver, i hope this is clear enough.
Australia is getting very sucky.
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Reply #40 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 6:34am
 
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now, all there is in Burwood Rd are Arab and Chinese run cafes, and none are doing THAT well. there are just too many.


This is interesting. In Dubbo there were strips of Chinese restaurants in the center of town that were almost always completely empty. I had no idea how they managed to stay in business at all.

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it would be OK if these types socially intermingled with us anglos, but yet don't.


Of course they don't. People identify and feel most comfortable around people who are like themselves, a root factor in why multiracial, multicultural societies are such shitfests. You think Burwood is bad now but this is only the tip of the iceberg.

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why don't we import Euro/Brits, etc?


I thought we did; we're still overwhelmingly (especially in comparison to say, the United States) a majority white nation, and our largest born-overseas group consists of people from the British Isles. I think this has changed in recent times however, as those of swarthy/yellow persuasion have replaced Anglo-Saxons as our primary source of immigrants. Even despite our own inchoate minority pandemonium I would still venture that most British individuals still yearn for a life here rather than there. Let's face it; we don't have it half as bad as they do. The British Isles are being inundanted by minorities that are several times worse than ours; Windies, Bangladeshis and Muslims of every possible stripe. Combine this with less room and far more minorities and you've got a recipe for "get me the bugger out of here!"

As for the matter to which this topic pertains, I'm sure to many of you can already guess what I think without me even making my views clear Cheesy Obviously, I want:

1) Immigration completely ceased as soon as possible. Immigration will recommence after our policies on the matter (and various others) have been redesigned based on a variety of principles;

- Gauging the elegibility of an immigrant on the basis of his race, nation of origin, etc. Some will receive a higher 'weight' than others, for instance candidates from Anglo-Saxon nations still loyal to the crown will receive the highest immediate score. Scores in this category will continue to slide from places such as the United Kingdom, New Zealand and Canada to Ireland and the United States, other European nations, Oriental Nations and finally African/Middle-Eastern nations at the bottom. Then do the same with racial origin, educational background, personal achievements etc. Of course, this section of the test is designed purposely in such a way that Europeans, specifically, British Europeans, will obtain much higher scores than anybody else. This will ultimately have the effect of decreasing non-white immigration to completely negligble/non-existent levels; exactly as planned.

- Satisfactory marks on a rigorous citizenship examination, that I could probably design myself. The test will be divided into two components, the first being culturally relevant knowledge. Questions within this category will pertain to the history of Western Civilization, British/Anglo-Saxon history, Australian history (of course), Australian-Anglo Saxon culture, Australian geography and Australian government. The second will be a test of one's understanding of the English language. This will primarily consist of multiple choice questions asking the test-taker to define various words; questions will be made more difficult not by employing more esoteric words but by requring the test-taker to make finer distinctions of meaning between answer choices. A small number of verbal analogies and reading comprehension questions will conclude this portion of the test, and the entire test. It should be noted that immigrants who cannot speak English at all will be immediately disqualified from taking the test at all, thus, the reason for this section is to provide an inexpensive approximation of the general intelligence of the participant. Combine this into a composite score with their educational background and the validity of this attempted measure will increase considerably.

2) Drastically decreasing the number of immigrants in total, from all sources. This point is what this thread is primarily about, so I should elaborate. I have not examined much information on the capacity of Australia, but I would speculate that it isn't very high. As Freediver was saying, a lower population is probably more ideal than a larger population for this country, though I can't say this with absolute certainty (having not investigated the facts with much thoroughness). If a smaller population is or becomes non-essential in the future, encouraging native whites to reproduce is preferable to importing whites (who themselves come from sources also 'drying out'). Baby bonuses are a good idea, but again, eligibility for such should be determined on several criterions, including general intelligence, family background, special skills (within the family), suspectibility to disease, etc. We should encourage our people, and yes, the highest quality Aboriginals (a eugenic boost in this particular area is desperately needed) as well, to breed again.

3) A small minority of our minorities already here should be forcibly sent home, no disputing.

We obviously have much to do, and as Muso frequently says, much work is required in order to make this nation more sustainable (without having to resort to decreasing population size).
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If you want to be taken seriously, drop the race references.


dddddduuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh - this is all ABOUT races
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 1st, 2010 at 8:12am:
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dddddduuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh - this is all ABOUT races


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Reply #43 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 3:12pm
 
thank god for some sort of sanity.
anyway, i'm  NOT against immigration.
what i do not  like is the gov't TELLING us want /need.
they are the criminals here.
jr.
thanks for reading my text, i DO appreciate it, and in the end i just want  what is best for this country.
of course, that's a matter of opinion.
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Reply #44 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 7:44pm
 
Just some friendly advice. Take it or leave it. It's up to you.
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