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Reply #60 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 6:03pm
 
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Indians don't get it. They don't understand it because, racially, India is a very accepting country. In a country of such a diverse population, you have to be. No matter what you might have heard, Indians are tolerant of other faiths and cultures. On the whole, Hindus and Muslims get on well in India, and Indians see this as one of their enduring strengths.


Yeh, except for when Hindu mobs rampage through cities in Gujaraat, cleansing entire suburbs of Muslims... apart from that, yeh it's fairly peaceful I guess.


What about caste system which is so deeply embedded in Indian psycho?
Majority of Indians students who study oversees are from the upper caste society continuing to behave as upper caste towards Aussies what doesn’t work with Australia.


The caste system is not as deeply embedded in India as you might think, Athos.

And from my experience - from the Brahmins I've met in India and Australia - there is no sense of superiority. Upper-caste Hindus are motivated by a sense of service, not a sense of superiority. And you're totally mistaken if you think Indians apply the caste system to non-Indians in Australia. They may be a tad disgruntled by drunken racist pigs, but...

On the whole, Brahmins work as doctors, teachers and social workers - helping professions. Upper caste Hindus, in my experience, are not uppity at all.

The majority of Indian students in Australia are from families with money. It's a mistake to think that caste in india equates with money. It doesn't. It equates more with values and upbringing.
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Reply #61 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 7:05pm
 
From discussions I have had with Indians, educational qualifications and profession are replacing caste. If you're not a doctor, lawyer, or engineer, they will look down on you.
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Reply #62 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 9:30pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 6:03pm:
athos wrote on Jan 29th, 2010 at 6:00pm:
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 11:07pm:
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Indians don't get it. They don't understand it because, racially, India is a very accepting country. In a country of such a diverse population, you have to be. No matter what you might have heard, Indians are tolerant of other faiths and cultures. On the whole, Hindus and Muslims get on well in India, and Indians see this as one of their enduring strengths.


Yeh, except for when Hindu mobs rampage through cities in Gujaraat, cleansing entire suburbs of Muslims... apart from that, yeh it's fairly peaceful I guess.


What about caste system which is so deeply embedded in Indian psycho?
Majority of Indians students who study oversees are from the upper caste society continuing to behave as upper caste towards Aussies what doesn’t work with Australia.


The caste system is not as deeply embedded in India as you might think, Athos.

And from my experience - from the Brahmins I've met in India and Australia - there is no sense of superiority. Upper-caste Hindus are motivated by a sense of service, not a sense of superiority. And you're totally mistaken if you think Indians apply the caste system to non-Indians in Australia. They may be a tad disgruntled by drunken racist pigs, but...

On the whole, Brahmins work as doctors, teachers and social workers - helping professions. Upper caste Hindus, in my experience, are not uppity at all.

The majority of Indian students in Australia are from families with money. It's a mistake to think that caste in india equates with money. It doesn't. It equates more with values and upbringing.


Yes caste system is very deeply embedded in Indian Psychology.

Everything what you’ve just said is a romantic bull poo that has nothing to do with reality.
When I was sent, as a supervisor, in the company’s department in India very shortly I realized how caste system is much more important to Indian employees than the formal official management structure. Every Indian was some sort of priest and new his position in terms of his cast and within his caste. The higher ranking priests were more in charge than their official superiors.  
To conclude, Because of their caste system Indians are actually themselves the biggest racist on the planet.
Different thing is that Anglos like and trust them because Indians have been trained to be perfect Pome slaves. Now Grate Brittan wants to get rid of them (Half London are Indians, Pakistanis etc.) and massively send them in their colony Australia. When they come in Australia they are very arrogant and expect to have the same privilege status as white Pome masters, but the reality probably seems different.


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Reply #63 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 9:53pm
 
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Well, an awful lot of third world villagers seem to want nothing more than the dreadful loneliness blissful solitude of Western suburbia...


Don't kid yourself.

Most are here to get educated, nothing more nothing less.



... apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order. And peace, Reggie, peace.

They want nothing more than to get educated, apply for permanent residency, get a job, buy a house, get married and raise a family in peace.  Even if it means leaving the huts and the corruption and the suffocating backwardness behind and putting up with having a car or two, a big enough house for grandma to have her own room, and a chance for their children to grow up in a meritocracy.  


Sure. But you'd be suprised how many people who do get permanency go back - and not just Indians. Aussie Aussie Aussie is not the Sugar Candy Mountain for all.

But thank God for all those people who take their qualifications and go back to help people who really need it. After all, how are countries like India going to get better irrigation and public health and roads and all the rest?

Not all Indian students are conniving parasites. Some come to the West to learn how to help change their part of the world.

They're starting to think twice about it now though.


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Reply #64 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 9:58pm
 
An Indian guy I know had rocks pelted at him by primary school students (because he was wearing an orange vest). He didn't want to tell his mother about it because she would fly over hear and drag him home by the ear, for his own protection. The Indians realise it is a beat-up by the media.
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Reply #65 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 10:04pm
 
athos wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 9:30pm:
Big Donger wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 6:03pm:
athos wrote on Jan 29th, 2010 at 6:00pm:
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 11:07pm:
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Indians don't get it. They don't understand it because, racially, India is a very accepting country. In a country of such a diverse population, you have to be. No matter what you might have heard, Indians are tolerant of other faiths and cultures. On the whole, Hindus and Muslims get on well in India, and Indians see this as one of their enduring strengths.


Yeh, except for when Hindu mobs rampage through cities in Gujaraat, cleansing entire suburbs of Muslims... apart from that, yeh it's fairly peaceful I guess.


What about caste system which is so deeply embedded in Indian psycho?
Majority of Indians students who study oversees are from the upper caste society continuing to behave as upper caste towards Aussies what doesn’t work with Australia.


The caste system is not as deeply embedded in India as you might think, Athos.

And from my experience - from the Brahmins I've met in India and Australia - there is no sense of superiority. Upper-caste Hindus are motivated by a sense of service, not a sense of superiority. And you're totally mistaken if you think Indians apply the caste system to non-Indians in Australia. They may be a tad disgruntled by drunken racist pigs, but...

On the whole, Brahmins work as doctors, teachers and social workers - helping professions. Upper caste Hindus, in my experience, are not uppity at all.

The majority of Indian students in Australia are from families with money. It's a mistake to think that caste in india equates with money. It doesn't. It equates more with values and upbringing.


Yes caste system is very deeply embedded in Indian Psychology.

Everything what you’ve just said is a romantic bull poo that has nothing to do with reality.
When I was sent, as a supervisor, in the company’s department in India very shortly I realized how caste system is much more important to Indian employees than the formal official management structure. Every Indian was some sort of priest and new his position in terms of his cast and within his caste. The higher ranking priests were more in charge than their official superiors.  
To conclude, Because of their caste system Indians are actually themselves the biggest racist on the planet.
Different thing is that Anglos like and trust them because Indians have been trained to be perfect Pome slaves. Now Grate Brittan wants to get rid of them (Half London are Indians, Pakistanis etc.) and massively send them in their colony Australia. When they come in Australia they are very arrogant and expect to have the same privilege status as white Pome masters, but the reality probably seems different.


Athos, our experiences must have been quite different, but I'm not saying that the caste system is dead by any means. What I am saying is that with higher caste in India (in the domains where caste is still an issue) comes greater responsibility.

Still, I'm a little unsure what you mean by every Indian being some kind of priest - any chance you could elaborate on this?
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Reply #66 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 10:05pm
 
Ask Indians you know well enough to be sure they're telling you the truth about the elitism, discrimination, racism, tribalism and parochialism that is rife in India and how it breaks out into violent rampages from time to time... And then let them compare that to their collective experience in Australia.

And never mind the corruption within their police forces that can make bodies disappear.

Here's a blast from the recent past for us all to ponder.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/hindus-paid-for-christian-murders/story-e6f...
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Reply #67 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 10:14pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 10:04pm:
Athos, our experiences must have been quite different, but I'm not saying that the caste system is dead by any means. What I am saying is that with higher caste in India (in the domains where caste is still an issue) comes greater responsibility.

Religious propaganda... The caste system spawns arrogant elitism, a sense of congenital entitlement and contempt for the lower castes. Any experience with human nature with bear that out.

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Reply #68 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 10:55pm
 
I agree wholeheartedly, [edited] Helian.
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Reply #69 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 11:45pm
 
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An Indian guy I know had rocks pelted at him by primary school students (because he was wearing an orange vest). He didn't want to tell his mother about it because she would fly over hear and drag him home by the ear, for his own protection. The Indians realise it is a beat-up by the media.


Anecdotal evidence from "An Indian" gives you amazing insight into how "The Indians" think fd, I'm amazed...

And he probably just didn't want to say honestly to you, because he probably fears you might turn against him. I interact with many Indian students (mostly Hindus btw) on a regular basis, and they know I am a Muslim and therefore obviously not a racist, and they tell me their honest feelings about society here, and every single one of them I've spoken to has said the same thing, it's racist here for them, and they really feel unwelcome by quite a lot of people, not all, but quite a lot.
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Reply #70 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 2:36am
 
Wow Abu! That's amazing that you can interact with the Hindus without felling the urge to shoot them. How benevolent of you.
I'll bet that at any opportuntiy you would be trying to convert them to your peace loving religion so that they may be blessed enough to be more like you ..God.

As already mentioned, it's a bit hypocritical for Indians to come here and go accusing Australians of being racist just because they happen to have a shade darker skin than the average Australian.
No we don't have to accept foreign values that are disagreeable to ours.

We thought that we fought for the right to have an opinion. If the opinion is that some people don't like to be annoyed at meal times, or if they don't like the remnants of the caste culture that Indians bring here, or whatever else, then the Indians pointing to the colour of their skin as an excuse to continue to not fit in here becomes a magnanimus insult to all Australians and all we've fought for.

There are more shades of skin here in this country and less discrimination due to personal differences than you'd find in just about any other nation on earth.
The Indian attitude has got them to where they are now, and we don't neccessarily have to want to be like them.i
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Reply #71 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 8:21am
 
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Anecdotal evidence from "An Indian" gives you amazing insight into how "The Indians" think fd, I'm amazed...


No Abu, it's what he said. Obviously many people (eg his mother) do not realise.
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Reply #72 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 11:21am
 
Big Donger wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 10:04pm:
athos wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 9:30pm:
Big Donger wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 6:03pm:
athos wrote on Jan 29th, 2010 at 6:00pm:
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 11:07pm:
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Indians don't get it. They don't understand it because, racially, India is a very accepting country. In a country of such a diverse population, you have to be. No matter what you might have heard, Indians are tolerant of other faiths and cultures. On the whole, Hindus and Muslims get on well in India, and Indians see this as one of their enduring strengths.


Yeh, except for when Hindu mobs rampage through cities in Gujaraat, cleansing entire suburbs of Muslims... apart from that, yeh it's fairly peaceful I guess.


What about caste system which is so deeply embedded in Indian psycho?
Majority of Indians students who study oversees are from the upper caste society continuing to behave as upper caste towards Aussies what doesn’t work with Australia.


The caste system is not as deeply embedded in India as you might think, Athos.

And from my experience - from the Brahmins I've met in India and Australia - there is no sense of superiority. Upper-caste Hindus are motivated by a sense of service, not a sense of superiority. And you're totally mistaken if you think Indians apply the caste system to non-Indians in Australia. They may be a tad disgruntled by drunken racist pigs, but...

On the whole, Brahmins work as doctors, teachers and social workers - helping professions. Upper caste Hindus, in my experience, are not uppity at all.

The majority of Indian students in Australia are from families with money. It's a mistake to think that caste in india equates with money. It doesn't. It equates more with values and upbringing.


Yes caste system is very deeply embedded in Indian Psychology.

Everything what you’ve just said is a romantic bull poo that has nothing to do with reality.
When I was sent, as a supervisor, in the company’s department in India very shortly I realized how caste system is much more important to Indian employees than the formal official management structure. Every Indian was some sort of priest and new his position in terms of his cast and within his caste. The higher ranking priests were more in charge than their official superiors.  
To conclude, Because of their caste system Indians are actually themselves the biggest racist on the planet.
Different thing is that Anglos like and trust them because Indians have been trained to be perfect Pome slaves. Now Grate Brittan wants to get rid of them (Half London are Indians, Pakistanis etc.) and massively send them in their colony Australia. When they come in Australia they are very arrogant and expect to have the same privilege status as white Pome masters, but the reality probably seems different.


Athos, our experiences must have been quite different, but I'm not saying that the caste system is dead by any means. What I am saying is that with higher caste in India (in the domains where caste is still an issue) comes greater responsibility.

Still, I'm a little unsure what you mean by every Indian being some kind of priest - any chance you could elaborate on this?



It is very complex for outsiders but maybe this will help you.


Caste ranking and caste-based interaction have occurred for centuries and will continue to do so well into the foreseeable future.
Castes that fall within the top four ranked varnas are sometimes referred to as the "clean castes," with Dalits considered "unclean." Castes of the top three ranked varnas are often designated "twice-born," in reference to the ritual initiation undergone by male members, in which investiture with the Hindu sacred thread constitutes a kind of ritual rebirth. Non-Hindu caste like groups generally fall outside these designations.

Each caste is believed by devout Hindus to have its own dharma, or divinely ordained code of proper conduct. Accordingly, there is often a high degree of tolerance for divergent lifestyles among different castes. Brahmans are usually expected to be non-violent and spiritual priests, according with their traditional roles as vegetarian teetotaler priests. Kshatriyas priests are supposed to be strong, as fighters and rulers should be, with a taste for aggression, eating meat, and drinking alcohol. Vaishyas priests are stereotyped as adept businessmen, in accord with their traditional activities in commerce. Shudras priests are often described by others as tolerably pleasant but expectably somewhat base in behaviour, whereas Dalits priests especially Sweepers--are often regarded by others as followers of vulgar life-styles. Conversely, lower-caste people often view people of high rank as haughty and unfeeling.
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Reply #73 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 3:49pm
 
Indian media ignore killing

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/indian-media-ignore-killing/story-e6frg6nf-1225824866540

THE Indian media have all but ignored a murder allegedly committed by three of the country's own citizens, in marked contrast to the hysterical coverage of allegedly racist attacks on Indian nationals in Australia.

Fruit-picker Ranjodh Singh was believed to be alive when he was allegedly set on fire near the NSW Riverina town of Griffith on December 29.

Three Indian nationals faced court yesterday charged over Singh's murder after police arrested the third suspect, a 25-year-old man, in Wagga Wagga.

Gurpreet Singh, 23, and his wife, Harpreet Kaur Bullar, 20, faced Sutherland Local Court, and Harpreet Singh appeared in Wagga Wagga Local Court. Neither Gurpreet Singh nor Ms Bullar applied for bail. They were arrested by NSW homicide squad detectives on Thursday.

The killing has drawn little attention in India. The widely watched television network Times Now, which has accused Australian police and government officials of apathy in the face of attacks on Indians, featured extensive coverage of the alleged murder of Nitin Garg on January 2 on its website. A search of Garg's name revealed seven news items. These included footage with headlines such as "Attack Racist in Nature" and "Enough is Enough -- When will the Australian government wake up?"
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Reply #74 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 8:55pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 10:05pm:
Ask Indians you know well enough to be sure they're telling you the truth about the elitism, discrimination, racism, tribalism and parochialism that is rife in India and how it breaks out into violent rampages from time to time... And then let them compare that to their collective experience in Australia.

And never mind the corruption within their police forces that can make bodies disappear.

Here's a blast from the recent past for us all to ponder.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/hindus-paid-for-christian-murders/story-e6f...


Very well documented Helian.
And why Hindu want to kill those poor Christians and Buddhists? because converters tried desperately to avoid their destiny in inhuman, slavery and racist caste system.
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