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Reply #15 - Jan 24th, 2010 at 5:50pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 24th, 2010 at 5:42pm:
Nope, I've just seen the trend...

Less religious -> more likely to be racist.
More religious -> pretty much no chance of being racist.

As someone practises Islam more, he'd have to realise racism is an extremely opposite concept to Islam, and could not maintain his racism.


They *should* realise that, but that doesn't mean it necessarily happens in practice, right?
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Reply #16 - Jan 24th, 2010 at 7:27pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 24th, 2010 at 5:42pm:
Nope, I've just seen the trend...

Less religious -> more likely to be racist.
More religious -> pretty much no chance of being racist.

As someone practises Islam more, he'd have to realise racism is an extremely opposite concept to Islam, and could not maintain his racism.

It's opposed to killing other Muslims too (apparently) and the muder of children (or so I'd imagine). It doesn't stop Muslims from committing those atrocities. Why would over-zealous Muslims stop at attacking Indians if they believed they should do so for their imagined Pakistani 'brothers'?

But anyway, I wasn't suggesting that Lebanese Australians involved in attacks on Indians were devout. I suggested that they may have acted on inherited (religious-defined) hatred.

Either way, its reasonable to speculate that the motivation for attacks on Indians, when committed by Lebanese Australians, may have its roots in religious animosity native to the Indian subcontinent, adopted by other Muslims (be they practising or cultural only).

But I will grant you that it is dangerous to be complacent about that being its only cause. Australia does have a home-grown racism problem that is not religiously motivated as may be demonstrated again on this Tuesday's National holiday which has transmogrified for some into Abuse-an-Asian day.
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Reply #17 - Jan 24th, 2010 at 9:08pm
 
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But anyway, I wasn't suggesting that Lebanese Australians involved in attacks on Indians were devout. I suggested that they may have acted on inherited (religious-defined) hatred.


But Indians and Pakistanis are effectively the same people. In fact a large % of Pakistanis are actually originally from inside India of today. Likewise, Indian students in Australia could be sikhs, Hindus or Muslims. So randomly attacking Indian students would just be ludicrous, if it's claimed the motive (which is nothing but pure fantasy on your part by the way) is supposedly solidarity with their Pakistani brothers...

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But I will grant you that it is dangerous to be complacent about that being its only cause. Australia does have a home-grown racism problem that is not religiously motivated as may be demonstrated again on this Tuesday's National holiday which has transmogrified for some into Abuse-an-Asian day.


Nowhere has it ever been demonstrated that religious motivation is involved. It's pure speculation on your part.
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Reply #18 - Jan 24th, 2010 at 9:19pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 11:23pm:
They're Australians. Whether they have a Lebanese background or not is irrelevant.




Not to them it ain't. Nor is it irrelevant to these two Muslim-lebanese-jordanian losers:


Australian man jailed for terrorism in Lebanon
By Middle East correspondent Anne Barker

Posted Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:14am AEDT

An Australian man has been jailed for two years in Lebanon for his involvement with a group accused of terrorist activity.

Imad Farouk Bsiso, a 35-year-old Jordanian-Australian from New South Wales, was one of seven men sentenced to jail for various offences related to terrorism, arms trafficking and forgery.

The military tribunal in Beirut found the men guilty of planning terrorist acts in Lebanon, trafficking weapons, and falsifying official documents.

Bsiso was sentenced to two years jail with hard labour, but with nine months deducted for time already spent in custody.

A Jordanian-New Zealand man was also jailed, along with two Palestinians.

Three other men, all Palestinian, are still on the run and were sentenced in their absence.




Calling them hyphenated-Australians is an insult to every Australian.  They should be called Lebanese and Jordanian Muslim perjurers who hold Australian and NZ passports by lying at their citizenship ceremonies. Such perjury should result in the loss of what was gained by it.



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Reply #19 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 12:14am
 
How do you know they had citizenship ceremonies? *Shock*horror*surprise*, some Muslims have already been born in Australia... starting from about 150 years ago now.
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Reply #20 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 12:52am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 24th, 2010 at 9:08pm:
But Indians and Pakistanis are effectively the same people. In fact a large % of Pakistanis are actually originally from inside India of today. Likewise, Indian students in Australia could be sikhs, Hindus or Muslims. So randomly attacking Indian students would just be ludicrous, if it's claimed the motive (which is nothing but pure fantasy on your part by the way) is supposedly solidarity with their Pakistani brothers...

There's nothing logical about racism. It's much like religion... Founded on absurdities, half-truths, hearsay, prejudice and lies.
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Reply #21 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 3:18am
 
In a discussion that I once had with a Lebanese Muslim, he pointed out that it is sooo easy to get away with stuff in this country because we are so trusting of what somebody tells them. But he also said that he always has to look over his shoulder and that's what makes it not worthwhile to continue his ways.
I also probably gained his trust during a bitch session against the U.S., and he told of his mistrust and hatred of the Christian Lebanese. 
It's funny that he is able to come here and hate his own countrymen, and yet if we utter a word against any of them, then we get the racist label.

Australians really don't know how much we are getting ripped off by immigrants who have a far different mindset, such as some of the the immigrants that we get from this Mid-East Asian area. They are a different breed to us and they come here to "honestly" rip us off if they can. This is their culture and they believe it to be moral.
Really, we don't understand the cultures that are coming here at all. We automatically consider them as ourselves but they are not part of our culture at all.
If possible, they will enforce their ways upon us. This is what we are seeing with the Indians now. They have such large numbers here that they have the veto to try and dupe us into surrendering some power to them.
We really need to take a closer look at their failed culture to understand what their game is within our blessed shores.i
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Reply #22 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 5:58am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 25th, 2010 at 12:14am:
How do you know they had citizenship ceremonies?

They are hyphenated-Australians. Always a dead giveaway.

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Reply #23 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 7:15am
 
So if I were to be hyphenated as an Anglo-Australian in a news article, would that mean I wasn't born here? Interesting powers of errr 'perception' you have there soren.
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Reply #24 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 9:21am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 25th, 2010 at 7:15am:
So if I were to be hyphenated as an Anglo-Australian in a news article, would that mean I wasn't born here? Interesting powers of errr 'perception' you have there soren.



Because you look like and identify with the Mohammed bin Laalaas. The hyphen would indicate that you are a pseud.
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Reply #25 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 10:30am
 
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They have such large numbers here that they have the veto to try and dupe us into surrendering some power to them.


Yeh this is true. It won't be long before we're all eating tandoori and working as telemarketers and have corny ringtones blaring out of our mobiles.

Get a grip on yourself idiot. Really, this alarmist mentality is just so devoid of anything that resembles intelligence. Like the Jew who recently wrote an article that a 300,000 minority of Muslims are "Islamising" the 22 million Australians, because vegemite is now certified halal. Nevermind that the 150,000 of his fellow Jews here have had kosher stamps on vegemite for the past decade... Really wake up to the ridiculous nature of these claims.

Did Australians become "Italianised" because we eat a lot of pizza and pasta and play soccer now??

Talk about a pack of mungbean gumby halfwits. You're scared, because you know you're too $#%%^ stupid to resist a cultural invasion, that's about all it is.
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Reply #26 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 12:58pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 11:23pm:
They're Australians. Whether they have a Lebanese background or not is irrelevant.

I don't think an Indian whose being attacked would really care what ethnic background the person originally had, they are an Australian, in Australia, attacking them. Simple as that.

Yes some attacks have involved Lebanese, and probably many other backgrounds. When are Anglo Australians going to accept that people born, raised, educated, cultured here ARE Australians, no matter what their historical background. I'm sure when Arab Australians are great sporting heroes or other such things, you won't mind taking credit for their Aussieness...


not irrelevant when they see indians as imposing on ''their suburbs''
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Reply #27 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 1:41pm
 
Amadd wrote on Jan 25th, 2010 at 3:18am:
If possible, they will enforce their ways upon us. This is what we are seeing with the Indians now. They have such large numbers here that they have the veto to try and dupe us into surrendering some power to them.
We really need to take a closer look at their failed culture to understand what their game is within our blessed shores.


You may have hit the nail on the head, Amadd. Perhaps there's resentment against the large numbers of Indians currently in Australia.

We might have had a similar phenomenon of racist crimes against Chinese/Vietnamese in the 1980s, but this group might not have been as vocal (or media-savvy) in getting the word out.

I agree to a point with your post. However, these problems should clear up in a generation or two. Of course you're going to have issues when completely different cultures move in. Look at the influence the Cubans have had in US politics. In a generation, they become part of the establishment.

Our level of immigration is nothing compared to what some countries have. What will happen to the one million Haitian orphans, for example? People are not intrinsically one culture/race or another. When you move, you change. You learn to fit in.

I'm sure it is all about power and numbers. The battle for Vinegar Hill wouldn't have happened unless the Irish had significant numbers. The Rum Rebellion wouldn't have happened without a sizeable and corrupt Rum Corps.

Of course, the most significant group of all - monopolies like Woolworths and Coles - have very few numbers but huge power. Ten percent of the population gets 80 percent of the profits while Alan Jones and Today Tonight harp on about small-time con-artists and the rise in ethnic crime - well, the rise in any sort of crime.

Do you think there might be a connection?
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Reply #28 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 4:17pm
 
It would go a long way if the curry-munching community could be persuaded NOT to store their clothes directly above the curry pot and to take morning showers with soap and use anti-stale curry deodorants.

Their dogged clinging to the 'cultural heritage' of reeking of BO and stale curry is behind these attacks on the subcontinental community, in my view. These are crimes in response to extreme olfactory provocation.
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Reply #29 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 4:42pm
 
Soren wrote on Jan 25th, 2010 at 4:17pm:
It would go a long way if the curry-munching community could be persuaded NOT to store their clothes directly above the curry pot and to take morning showers with soap and use anti-stale curry deodorants.

Their dogged clinging to the 'cultural heritage' of reeking of BO and stale curry is behind these attacks on the subcontinental community, in my view. These are crimes in response to extreme olfactory provocation.


The same can be said about Aussies who spend the entire day in the pub, drinking their life away.  Should we bash them too, considering their beer BO is very disturbing?
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