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Immunity from deportation is one of the rights we give upon the granting of citizenship, isn't it? If the PTB are able to revoke it at any point for whatever reason, why guarantee that immunity?

New citizens pledge an oath to uphold the law. If they break that oath, they should be punished like every other Australian, or foreign born citizenship isn't worth the paper it's written on.

I should have researched that better. My apologies.

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Damn, that is a pretty "open to interpretation" catch all to have as a criteria for revoking somebody's citizenship.

It is one which could be used wisely, or opportunistically, depending upon the whim of who makes the decision.

Even with that, it is still nice to at least feel as if we have some say over who does or does not stay in our country.
I immediately thought of how much "public interest" there is in us having people with DUAL citizenship, an issue that has annoyed me for a long time.
We see fair slabs of our money going overseas in the form of pensions, to many people who have obtained aussie citizenship, whilst retaining citizenship oftheir former country, applying for, and receiving an australian pension, and then going back to their original country to live permanently there, whilst we support them.
I am absolutely dead set against this practice, and would certainly vote to have it stopped, if given the opportunity to do so.

When we are generous enough to give people public money to support themselves, it does not seem unreasonable to want to see that money spent here in australia, helping our economy, rather than supporting people who have no real allegiance to australia, useing it to support a lifestyle overseas that they otherwise could not afford.

So ban dual citizenship altogether, and remove the loopholes in our system that sees us supporting "strangers in a strange land".

Here's the current Australian pledge of allegiance:


From this time forward, under God,
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share,
whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey.


You can say it  with or without the words 'under God'.


Lines 2-5 especially are irreconcilable with strongly held islamist views. You trip up on those pledges and your presence is contrary to the public interest.
Pretending that these ideas are on the same level as a council by-law about dog sh!t will allow you to snigger, Karnal, but you will still be wrong, whether you know it or not.

Soren wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2010 at 3:12pm:


Folk born here don't have to pledge nor obey any rules, so they think.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2010 at 3:18pm:

I bet you'll find the Turkish guy was not a citizen, just a permanent resident. I believe if you are a permanent resident you have to commit crimes that carry a penalty of more than 12 months jail or have spent more than 12 months in jail to be liable for deportation.
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You're right. I think he was. In Australia I think the policy is at the behest of the Minister.

In the US, I believe it's in the hands of the judicial system.

That's what happens when you get a Bill of Rights.

But it sounds like it's become a very administrative process with mandatory expulsion for felonies in the federal juristiction, often for crimes that go back years and where the penalty was served long ago.

I guess that's what happens when a certain president goes against a Bill of Rights.

I dont understand this. Being from NSW, is there some anti-Indian sentiment down there that we are nto aware of in the rest of Australia?

Or is this some pakistani / muslim thing against hindus?