So basically, the people who have created the lazy, pitiful and dependent dole-spongers (and allow them to continue to be this way) are also the people who are bringing in the immigrants in the first place -- yeah, great.

Really great people we have running this country.

But just remember, the people who are running, and those trying to run, this country have got up off their arse done something to realise their aspirations for the nation.

Soren, I don't see what the statistics you posted on immigration from Africa and the Middle East (and Vietnam) have to do with students and skilled migrants from India.

What the research you posted also stated is this:

"While recently arrived migrants generally have high rates of unemployment, the main exception is migrants from the Business Skills/Employer Nomination Scheme categories. The Longitudinal Survey of Immigrants to Australia2 has identified that of migrants in these categories who arrived between September 1999 and August 2000, a negligible number were unemployed 18 months later."

It also stated that the reason the groups you identified have higher unemployment levels (of 10 - 12%) is the lack of English these migrants possess when they first arrive.

I doubt that there would be ANY Indian immigrants coming to Australia under the skilled migration program without good English, considering that English is pretty much India's national language.

I don't know of any research on Indian unemployment in Australia, but judging from the Indians I know and have worked with, I would be prepared to bet that the unemployment level of Indian immigrants in Australia is actually LOWER than the national average.

No platitudes through a straw, Soren - just a hunch.

Soren wrote on Jan 27^th, 2010 at 5:03pm:


Exactly.

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2010 at 9:01pm:


In any given population you normally have two groups of people; those who are good, honest, and hard-working, and the other, smaller group; those that are lazy, dishonest and will simply take advantage if they can. These people are always going to be with us regardless of the political system that we are running, but certain ideologies and approaches can make the predilections of the garbage class less determining of outcomes. We, among many other Western nations, have been maintaining a system for the last fourty years that more strongly than ever before rewards their behavior or mitigates the seriousness of the consequences of their actions, allowing them not only to increase in frequency but also to make them as individuals simply so much worse. You can't possibly say that it's all entirely due to an increase in wealth-- many Asian families have been in Western countries for many generations, but because the culture of their group is considerably different from the wonderful, brave new society of the white man, they do not face the problems that we face. Many other very wealthy new societies have sprung up in many places outside the Western World, but again-- no problems in these places on our scale, because they have not yet developed the malignant tumor of progressive thought.

Progressives love to gloat and scoff at lazy white people, pointing at them whenever somebody dares suggest that certain groups, Africans or otherwise, simply aren't on the same level in the arts of civilization as white people are. Then, often, they will point to the successes of our immigration, who are quite evidently the product of selective migration (except Asians, who in these terms do tend to be better than whites on average), with words specifically chosen almost to carry the snide, implicit suggestion that whites are actually worse than these groups as a group (while of course maintaning that we're all equal of course...). Certainly, I do not like our underclass one bit either, but judging from the fact that at this moment they are unprecedented in size and more unruly than ever in behavior, it logically follows that an improvement the in social milleu will not be futile as an undertaking in improving them somewhat. Those of us who possess the worst blood need discipline, strong male influences in their lives, perhaps a traditional rite of passage and the imprinted understanding that one will not eat with what one does not earn.

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I could get off my arse tomorrow and spend months, if not years, constructing an elaborate and realistic statue out of my own fecal matter. Hopefully none would commend me for such an endeavour.

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This might even be true. I just don't see why I should accept it as a reason for my own dispossession.

It also says (I didn't click your URL) from the excerpt in your post 'more than the average Australian born citizen.' Are second generation lebanese (and other immigrants), Aboriginals, etc included? What about if you remove say, White and Northern Asian immigrants from this particular immigrant aggregate. What happens then? Just curious.

Yeah, I'll go searching, though not until I get home; Armenian internet is only affordable in the form of dialup.

Your notions of superiority are quaint and simplistic.

freediver wrote on Feb 6^th, 2010 at 9:47pm:


With regards to the specific kind of superiority that you were referring to with your article, what exactly is wrong or simplistic with Soren saying that an individual could be better or worse than another in such a respect?