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Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria
Reply #30 - Feb 14th, 2010 at 9:16pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 12th, 2010 at 9:45am:
So let me sum up your opinion there soren.

Muslim kills non-Muslim, evil Muslim.

Non-Muslim kills Muslim, evil Muslim deserved it.

Right-e-o..


Crap.
Show us just one people with whom the Muslims are not in conflict. If it's not with the infidels, then it is with other muslims. Even the Pallos - how many damn factions and divisions and hatreds do they have just with other Pallos, never mind the joos and the rest of the world that finances their decades of infantile petulance? You'd think they, at least, would have a clear enough motivation to unite. Can they? Of course they can't. If there was no Islamically-motivated politically manufactured conflict, they'd have to actuually get down and make a fist of being a people. No conflict, just work. No can do.

Islam is conflict. Islam is in conflict the jews, christians, buddhists, atheists, hindus, secularists, other muslism (always with other muslims), everybody. The only people Islam in not in conflict with are the people (lucky buggers) Islam is not in contact with. Contact with Islam means conflict. Which is then followed by:

"The endless plaint of Muslim victimization is a cynical ploy by those who wish to rule, rather than be ruled. The Muslim in non-Muslim countries typically enjoys more freedom than he does at home. And that is his complaint. He is not free to force women to walk a pace behind him, to beat his children and murder his daughters if they disobey him, and to know that all non-Muslims are beneath his feet. And what good is freedom to him if he cannot have these things?

Tolerance humiliates the Muslim, for in his storied past it was always he who had the choice to extend tolerance to the Kufr who were his social and political inferiors. The Muslim does not wish to be tolerated, he wishes to be obeyed. He does not want his beliefs respected in a plurality of beliefs, thereby equating them with the horrid beliefs of those he despises. He wishes that Islam alone be recognized as a true and unique belief, as the one true faith for all mankind. For by recognizing this, he becomes superior through it."



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Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria
Reply #31 - Feb 15th, 2010 at 10:49am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Feb 12th, 2010 at 9:45am:
So let me sum up your opinion there soren.

Muslim kills non-Muslim, evil Muslim.

Non-Muslim kills Muslim, evil Muslim deserved it.

Right-e-o..


insh 'Allah, innit?




Dirty Paki Khunt wrote on Feb 15th, 2010 at 9:01am:
These are not my ideas, my brother, but thoughts that rain down from the very mind of God. I am a mere scribe, so if you want any beef, take it up with Him.



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Reply #32 - Feb 15th, 2010 at 10:46pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 23rd, 2010 at 10:01pm:
What happens when you let Christians into your country.

They take over (and now rule Nigeria), then slaughter you in your homes. Burning little babies alive. Is this what the Bible teaches????





Villigers claim... cannot be verified... Muslim tribe... Christian tribe...  You should not believe everything just because it's on the tele.  Here's another view, from the Prior of the Augustinian monastery in Jos:

One thing should be clear: when violent conflict breaks out in northern Nigeria between Christians and Muslims, it is never Christians who provoke it.
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Conflicts between "indigenes" and "settlers" have occurred in many parts of Nigeria, because, although the Nigerian constitution says that any Nigerian citizen is free to live anywhere in the country, in practice only the "indigenes" of a state are allowed the full rights of citizens there. The Jos Hausa settlers claim to be indigenes of Plateau, but Christian settlers are not treated as indigenes in states where Hausas are in the majority, such as Kano or Katsina. The "true" indigenes of Plateau, as I might call them, have not helped their own cause because they are not united, and have in the past allowed Hausas to acquire prominent positions in the state, and to acquire land. They have also tended to show as much suspicion of southerners, mostly their fellow Christians, as of the Hausas.

In the series of crises that gripped Jos in 2001, in 2008, and now in 2010, the Hausa strategy has followed a pattern: to launch attacks on Christian lives and property (naturally including churches) in poor areas of mixed population lying on the periphery of the ghetto, so as to end the Christian presence there. When the dust settles, Christians are persuaded to sell their destroyed properties to willing Hausa buyers. The strategy has succeeded to the extent that the area under Hausa control has steadily grown. After the 2001 crisis they proudly called it "the Taliban republic". Within it, sharia law has been imposed, no functioning church remains, and no Christians live. On the other hand, in each crisis non-Hausas have fought back, and exacted revenge on such a scale that in the grisly calculations that follow, the number of Hausa deaths probably exceeds that of non-Hausas. Revenge killings of Hausas also occur in other parts of Plateau State.

The crisis that erupted on Sunday, January 17 followed just the same pattern. But this time both sides used more guns than ever before. Moreover, the Hausas had the boldness to attack Christians even in areas where the Hausas are relatively few in number, such as Bukuru, lying beyond Jos to the south. As always, it is not easy to establish how the trouble started. But the story most commonly heard, at least among Christians, is that, that very morning inside Nasarawa, a peripheral area just east of centre, a Hausa man brought a large number of Hausa youths allegedly to help him rebuild (or extend) a building, which lies close to a church. The sand they shovelled (perhaps with deliberate carelessness) fell on Christians coming from the church; an argument started; verbal aggression soon led to physical violence. At once, Christians were attacked in peripheral areas throughout the city. But though taken unawares they fought back. The trouble continued on and off until Tuesday, when the federal government ordered the army to take complete control and a 24-hour curfew was imposed. The coming of the army proved a mixed blessing for Christians, because it is unanimously believed that a number of soldiers were Hausa militants in disguise and that they fired on Christians for no good reason.


There's a full article at http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/features/f0000527.shtml
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Reply #33 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 3:01pm
 
NIGERIAN troops are patrolling villages near the northern city of Jos after the massacre of more than 500 Christians there that sparked international shock and outrage.

But survivors of the latest wave of inter-ethnic violence, in which women and children were hacked to death or burned alive in their homes, denounced the authorities for having failed to intervene in time.

Relatives of the dead meanwhile attended funerals on Monday for the victims of the three-hour orgy of violence in three Christian villages close to the northern city of Jos.

Witnesses have blamed the massacre on members of the mainly Muslim Fulani ethnic group, and according to media reports Muslims villagers were warned two days before attack via text messages to their phones.

The security forces said they had detained 95 suspects in the violence.

"We have over 500 killed in three villages and the survivors are busy burying their dead," said state information commissioner Gregory Yenlong.

"People were attacked with axes, daggers and cutlasses -- many of them children, the aged and pregnant women."

Around 200 people were being treated in hospital, said the information ministry.

Much of the violence was centred on the village of Dogo Nahawa, where gangs set fire to straw-thatched mud huts as they went on their rampage.

The explosion of violence was just the latest between rival ethnic and religious groups.

In January, 326 people died in clashes in and around Jos, according to police although rights activists put the overall toll at more than 550.

"The attack is yet another jihad and provocation," the Plateau State Christian Elders Consultative Forum (PSCEF) said.

It had taken the army two hours to react from the time a distress call was put through and "the attackers had finished their job and left", they added.

Acting President Goodluck Jonathan has already sacked his chief security adviser.

John Onaiyekan, the archbishop of the capital Abuja, told Vatican Radio that the violence was rooted not in religion but in social, economic and tribal differences.

"It is a classic conflict between pastoralists and farmers, except that all the Fulani are Muslims and all the Berom are Christians," he said.

Fulani are mainly nomadic cattle rearers while Beroms are traditionally farmers.

Locals said Sunday's attacks were the result of a feud which had been first ignited by a theft of cattle and then fuelled by deadly reprisals.

Rights activists also said the slaughter appeared to be revenge for the January attacks, in which mainly Muslims were killed.

The Vatican led a wave of outrage with spokesman Federico Lombardi expressing the Catholic Church's "sadness" at the "horrible acts of violence".

UN chief Ban Ki-moon told reporters he was "deeply concerned", but added: "I appeal to all concerned to exercise maximum restraint.

"Nigeria's political and religious leaders should work together to address the underlying causes and to achieve a permanent solution to the crisis in Jos."

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urged "all parties to exercise restraint".

She added: "The Nigerian government should ensure that the perpetrators of acts of violence are brought to justice under the rule of law and that human rights are respected as order is restored."

Survivors said the attackers were able to separate the Fulanis from members of the rival Berom group by chanting 'nagge,' the Fulani word for cattle. Those who failed to respond in the same language were hacked to death.

Witnesses said armed gangs had scared people out of their homes by firing into the air but most of the killings were the result of machete attacks.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/appeals-for-calm-after-nigerian-sectarian...


Tit for tat religious nonsense. Christians kill muslims......Muslims kill Christians (despite abu's denials, they do, they have, they will again) in this neverending bullshit known as religion To hell with all your religions, your gods and your self professed superiority!
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Reply #34 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 3:25pm
 
Once again we have a muslim offering an example of an atrocity perpetrated by non-muslims, which we are supposedly expected to use as an example that Islam is not the driving force behind Islamic violence, but just a few bad eggs are responsible, like the case used here, which showed the evil done by bad christians.

It is like his threads where he finds examples of singular acts of vio;ence by deranged non-muslims to try and show that not all terrorists are muslims.

Abu, if you want to get into a statistical analysis of Islamic terrorist numbers, and specific Islamist terrorist acts, and compare that against every other religion, race, and culture on the planet, do you want to put money up that your team is not leading by the proverbial country mile?
Instead of trying to disseminate the lie that Islam is not the greatest problem in regard to terrorism that the world has known, perhaps speaking out in mosques, and other forums that muslims frequent, and roundly denouncing the violent extremists as un-Islamic psychopaths, you may actually do some good for your religion, by actually discouraging ignorant people from supporting them, and thinking of them as their brothers, when in fact they are the greatest threat to Islam there is.
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Reply #35 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 6:03am
 
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Abu, if you want to get into a statistical analysis of Islamic terrorist numbers, and specific Islamist terrorist acts, and compare that against every other religion, race, and culture on the planet, do you want to put money up that your team is not leading by the proverbial country mile?


Mozza, the truth is, if you were honest enough to count all violence against innocents, then the Muslims would be seriously lagging behind, and the Western Christians would be the clear leaders, and I think deep down you know this.

That's why the West invent this crap like "terrorist" to skew such numbers in their favour.
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Reply #36 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 6:37am
 
Nothing to say about the Christian children hacked to death by Muslim's with machetes? Not appalled by this? Oh that's right, it's ok because Christians killed Muslims. Allah wants Muslims to kill Christian children. Nice God you have there, abu.
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Reply #37 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 2:24pm
 
Of course I am appalled when children, women and even innocent men are caught up in such things Jordan.

It's actually you who weren't appalled when the victims were Muslims just a few months ago.
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Reply #38 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 3:10pm
 
Rubbish. That was just as disgusting.
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