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Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria
Reply #15 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 8:01pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 25th, 2010 at 10:16am:
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Muslims have never been a majority in the north, and their missionaries have never extended beyond the Visayas.


Really?? So there was never any Sultanate of Seludong (ie. what became Manila and environs)??? Interesting... I think you need to re-read the history on this.

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If by massacres of Muslims in the Philippines you mean the crackdown on terrorist activities by Abu Sayyaf and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, then you have been misled.


No... I mean the army, and government-backed militias going to villages and massacring civilians. Someone here is certainly misled about this.

The MILF was formed as a response to the Jabidah massacre in 1968, so please don't use circular reasoning to establish why the massacres have taken place. They took place before any such groups existed, and they were in fact the reason the groups were formed in the first place, to defend themselves against the massacres.

And as I mentioned already, only a few months ago, members of Arroyo's party carried out a brutal massacre of Muslims in Maguindanao.


From what I know, the Sultanate of Seludong was only where the people who were in control were Muslims, and that the people and their culture and religion had not changed throughout that period. That video is obviously biased and unreliable. Where are the reliable sources? It's always "innocent families" but how would the youtube user know? The only people who really do know are those within the Philippine military. With the Jabidah Massacre, there is no proof that the recruits were murdered by Christians and for the reason that they are Muslims.
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Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria
Reply #16 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 8:06pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 25th, 2010 at 6:02pm:
Was that English??  Grin


yes, a transliteration of koranic verses. Apparently it's far better in the Arabic.

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Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria
Reply #17 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 11:55pm
 
"That is the worst part, they were our friends". Friends? just goes to show how wicked a Christian can be, that they can mass murder their supposed friends. This is a similar story to Bosnia, where Serbs and Croats began slaughtering their friends and neighbours, just because they were Muslims.

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Christian scrawling some blasphemous nonsense on the walls after slaughtering hundreds of Muslims, his 'friends'.



Nigeria riots: 'Our homes were razed'

By Caroline Duffield
BBC News, Jos

Awalu Mohamed was one of the first to arrive in the mining village of Kuru Karama to discover burned human remains and corpses thrown into communal wells and sewage pits.

"There are so many, many corpses," says Mr Mohamed, of the Jamatu Nasril Islam aid group.

He described how 62 corpses were pulled from the wells on the first day, but aid workers had no equipment to reach those further down.

"We went to one family and found the entire family there, 20-something of them, including the small, small kids. All of them burned to ashes," he says.

He covers his eyes.

He - and other aid workers - realised they were overwhelmed.

Mr Mohamed described how they removed the family's remains, piece by piece.

They added them to the other corpses inside the wells. These wells are now being sand-filled, to become mass graves.

Around the village, more bodies are being found every day.

Those who tried to run from the gangs were hunted and cut down with machetes and guns around the settlement.

"We could hear the noise. They were singing and chanting, they destroyed everything," says 20-year-old Zainab Sanusi.

"They burned our house. We are left with nothing now, nothing."

She fled her home, on the edge of Jos, to join 2,000 other people now eating, washing and sleeping together in cramped classrooms at a local primary school.

'Homes razed'

Most of the people I met were Hausa-speaking Muslims but Christian groups say they were also attacked by mobs. Although they have not given any details of how many members of their community were killed.

Across the region, many thousands are displaced. Everyone has a story to tell.

"Suddenly, a team of security personnel entered our village," says Mohamed Kabir Mohamed, a miner from Anglo Jos village.

"They told us to evacuate. They were chasing us out, allowing people in to burn our houses.

"Later we realised those police and military men were fake, they were not wearing the proper uniform, the normal military boots.

"When we talked, they opened fire against us. As we left, our enemies were busy razing our homes."

He and his friends saw very clearly who attacked the village.

''That is the worst part,'' he says.

''Of those that came, there were known and unknown faces. The worst part is that those who were known, were our friends.''

The BBC drove through burned out suburbs, villages, and tiny settlements.

The Bukuru Markets area - once a roaring hive of shops - is now a blackened bonfire under a blue sky.

At least 1,000 businesses here were burned.

It was after midnight and people were sleeping when a gang attacked, starting an inferno.

Many people were too disoriented to talk - or too angry to make sense.

The nearby mosque say they received 31 corpses.

The number is hard to believe. It seems too low.

Jos sits on a tense dividing line between Nigeria's mostly Hausa-speaking Muslim north, and the south where the majority is Christian or practise traditional religions.

Nigeria map

The town is predominantly Christian, with Hausa Muslims in the minority.

But people here respect faith. Everyone insists this violence is not about religion.

It is about politics, they say.

Jos has an ugly history of violence at election times.

Local politicians are accused of orchestrating violence to rig elections and intimidate their rivals.

This time, there are accusations the violence is an organised campaign to drive Hausa Muslims out of the state.

The state government denies that. It says it has given 30 million naira ($200,000 USD) to help the victims of the violence.

'Harmony in diversity'

"I want the government to intervene on this," says Chibuzou Aghande, a Christian attending an emotional church service in Nassarawa, a few hundreds yards from where the first troubles started.

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The rebuilding of a house in Jos was said to be the spark for the violence

"Because they know the roots of this thing. Because it is well planned, and they were organised for it. I want the federal government to do something and to bring to book those causing this crisis."

Worshippers spilled outside the church and hundreds packed the pews inside. Some wept while others murmured responses to a charged sermon.

"Our diversity is meant to create harmony, not disharmony," Archbishop Ignatius Kaigama told them.

"Your gifts as a Christian should be put to good use so the Muslim can benefit. Your gifts as a Muslim should be put to good use so the Christian can benefit.

"Imagine the values in the Koran. Imagine the values in the Bible. If we bring all of these together, imagine the fantastic world we will have."

Source: BBC
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Reply #18 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 9:33am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 30th, 2010 at 11:55pm:
"That is the worst part, they were our friends". Friends? just goes to show how wicked a Christian can be, that they can mass murder their supposed friends. This is a similar story to Bosnia, where Serbs and Croats began slaughtering their friends and neighbours, just because they were Muslims.

So true... And as Muslims do to Christians.

What an unconscionable evil religion is... And its greatest manifestation of evil... Theocracy.

The depravity of the Islamic Republic will stagger the mind of Muslims, religious and the rest when it finally collapses in on itself under the collective weight of its crimes against humanity.
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Reply #19 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 10:03am
 
helian,

If you want to make a thread about Iran, go for it, I'm not going to stop you. But in case you hadn't noticed, Iran and Nigeria are quite a few thousand km's away from one another, and in this issue, I really can't see the relevance of raising Iran.

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So true... And as Muslims do to Christians.


They do?? Where??
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Reply #20 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 10:13am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 31st, 2010 at 10:03am:
helian,

If you want to make a thread about Iran, go for it, I'm not going to stop you. But in case you hadn't noticed, Iran and Nigeria are quite a few thousand km's away from one another, and in this issue, I really can't see the relevance of raising Iran.

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So true... And as Muslims do to Christians.


They do?? Where??

Thousands of kms... but religion perverts the mind everywhere the same.

You can't see the relevance? Don't worry, you will.

Where? Baghdad.

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Reply #21 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 2:10pm
 
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Thousands of kms... but religion perverts the mind everywhere the same


There's no connection other than that you want to divert from one with the other.

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Where? Baghdad.


The situations are just a tad different I think. In Baghdad there is an invadng/occupying Christian nation slaughtering the people. The Muslims there are fighting a Christian invasion force.

In Nigeria, there's no such thing. In fact Nigeria is largely a Muslim country, which has been occupied by the Colonialist-backed Christians for about a century now. Likewise in Bosnia, there was no invading Muslim force to warrant the slaughter, it was just pure bloodlust.
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Reply #22 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 6:55pm
 

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Thousands of kms... but religion perverts the mind everywhere the same.


absoloutely - any spiritual person knows that
religious people deny it immediately
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Reply #23 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 6:56pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 31st, 2010 at 2:10pm:
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Where? Baghdad.


The situations are just a tad different I think. In Baghdad there is an invadng/occupying Christian nation slaughtering the people. The Muslims there are fighting a Christian invasion force.

There is not an invading Christian nation... There is a foreign secular nation's army currently in Iraq. You know this, Abu. If you are to be a liar, you'll need to be more deceitful.

The Arab Christian community is being murdered into extinction by Muslims. At least do your perception of Islam proud by being more artful in your deceit.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 31st, 2010 at 2:10pm:
In Nigeria, there's no such thing. In fact Nigeria is largely a Muslim country, which has been occupied by the Colonialist-backed Christians for about a century now. Likewise in Bosnia, there was no invading Muslim force to warrant the slaughter, it was just pure bloodlust.

Yes, the evil that is religion dividing people as it always has.
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Reply #24 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 8:04pm
 
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There is a foreign secular nation's army currently in Iraq. You know this, Abu


They are a predominantly Christian nation. They print Bibles in languages to distribute to locals in Muslim countries. They have Biblical passages on their gun sights, they have tanks named "New Testament", they had Biblical passages relating to warring against infidels on the front page of their mission reports for God's sake!!! Bush himself said he was sent by God to do that work, and used the "C" word before retracting it.

You can try to deny it, but the fact is there's a very Christian 'flavour' to the invasion/occupation. I'm sure if a Muslim country invaded Australia, but claimed to be all secular, Muslims here would still cop it. That's just the way things happen. Doesn't necessarily make it right. But after what's happened in Iraq, the U.S are the only ones to blame if you ask me. Like during the Crusades, Westerners couldn't care less about "oriental Christians" anyway, they consider them Arabicised and apostasised anyway, so if they die in the crossfire or the ensuing civil strife, so be it.
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Reply #25 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 8:34pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 31st, 2010 at 8:04pm:
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There is a foreign secular nation's army currently in Iraq. You know this, Abu


They are a predominantly Christian nation. They print Bibles in languages to distribute to locals in Muslim countries. They have Biblical passages on their gun sights, they have tanks named "New Testament", they had Biblical passages relating to warring against infidels on the front page of their mission reports for God's sake!!! Bush himself said he was sent by God to do that work, and used the "C" word before retracting it.

You can try to deny it, but the fact is there's a very Christian 'flavour' to the invasion/occupation. I'm sure if a Muslim country invaded Australia, but claimed to be all secular, Muslims here would still cop it. That's just the way things happen. Doesn't necessarily make it right. But after what's happened in Iraq, the U.S are the only ones to blame if you ask me. Like during the Crusades, Westerners couldn't care less about "oriental Christians" anyway, they consider them Arabicised and apostasised anyway, so if they die in the crossfire or the ensuing civil strife, so be it.



One minute you sneer that Christianity is dying in the West, the next minute you are bellyaching that it is so strong that it is occupying muslim lands at will, laughtering like it the 12th century.

One more small example, if any more were needed, of the ways Mohammedanism mixes persecution mania with triumphalism. Insane.

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Reply #26 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 9:56pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 31st, 2010 at 8:04pm:
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There is a foreign secular nation's army currently in Iraq. You know this, Abu


They are a predominantly Christian nation. They print Bibles in languages to distribute to locals in Muslim countries. They have Biblical passages on their gun sights, they have tanks named "New Testament", they had Biblical passages relating to warring against infidels on the front page of their mission reports for God's sake!!! Bush himself said he was sent by God to do that work, and used the "C" word before retracting it.

You can try to deny it, but the fact is there's a very Christian 'flavour' to the invasion/occupation. I'm sure if a Muslim country invaded Australia, but claimed to be all secular, Muslims here would still cop it. That's just the way things happen. Doesn't necessarily make it right. But after what's happened in Iraq, the U.S are the only ones to blame if you ask me. Like during the Crusades, Westerners couldn't care less about "oriental Christians" anyway, they consider them Arabicised and apostasised anyway, so if they die in the crossfire or the ensuing civil strife, so be it.

Characterising the conflict as a religious war is the Islamic way of interpreting the battle in the only terms it can understand. The goal of the allies is not to install a Christian theocracy but a secular democratic state. And it would seem that the majority of Iraqis prefer a secular state to the nightmare of an Islamic Republic... And understandably so... As it would effect the denial of destructive political power to one of the most dangerous and evil of divides - religion.

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Reply #27 - Feb 11th, 2010 at 11:10am
 
New footage has just been released to al-Jazeerah from last year showed cold blooded executions of innocent Muslim civilians in the streets by the Nigerian police and military.


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Reply #28 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 8:11am
 
Islamists separatists have created the kind of chaos that allows them to thrive. They are doing it everywhere - SE Asia, Africa, Middle East, Caucasus, England, Scndinavia, France - everywhere.

"The endless plaint of Muslim victimization is a cynical ploy by those who wish to rule, rather than be ruled. The Muslim in non-Muslim countries typically enjoys more freedom than he does at home. And that is his complaint. He is not free to force women to walk a pace behind him, to beat his children and murder his daughters if they disobey him, and to know that all non-Muslims are beneath his feet. And what good is freedom to him if he cannot have these things?

Tolerance humiliates the Muslim, for in his storied past it was always he who had the choice to extend tolerance to the Kufr who were his social and political inferiors. The Muslim does not wish to be tolerated, he wishes to be obeyed. He does not want his beliefs respected in a plurality of beliefs, thereby equating them with the horrid beliefs of those he despises. He wishes that Islam alone be recognized as a true and unique belief, as the one true faith for all mankind. For by recognizing this, he becomes superior through it."
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Reply #29 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 9:45am
 
So let me sum up your opinion there soren.

Muslim kills non-Muslim, evil Muslim.

Non-Muslim kills Muslim, evil Muslim deserved it.

Right-e-o..
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