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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Jan 23^rd, 2010 at 10:01pm What happens when you let Christians into your country. They take over (and now rule Nigeria), then slaughter you in your homes. Burning little babies alive. Is this what the Bible teaches????
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41827 Gender:	Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Reply #1 - Jan 23^rd, 2010 at 11:00pm find the quotes yourself in the NT abu. there a re HEAPS in your ultraviolent koran
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Reply #2 - Jan 23^rd, 2010 at 11:03pm Here's one for ya from the NT: "By their fruits shall ye know them". There's nothing whatsoever in the Qur'an saying to kill kids, in fact it's EXPRESSLY forbidden, unlike your OT, where it's EXPRESSLY commanded.
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Hlysnan Senior Member Offline Riht, Fr[ch275]od[ch333]m, Wærscipe Posts: 449 Burwood Gender:	Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Reply #3 - Jan 24^th, 2010 at 7:43am I think it's more to do with the culture of the native people rather than Christianity itself. Australia, for example, is a majority Christian country and we don't have massacres motivated by religion. And obviously, burning babies alive isn't what the Bible teaches.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Reply #4 - Jan 24^th, 2010 at 8:51am Jaemi, It's just because we're very secularised, so people here don't really believe too strongly in Christianity. Most Aussies attend church once in their life (per marriage) and once after. And the Bible most certainly does contain commands to murder little kids.
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Reply #5 - Jan 24^th, 2010 at 10:30am

Just because there may be passages in the Bible that describe deaths of children, it doesn't mean that it is a command. Since you say that there are, could you direct me to them? And if it is in the OT, shouldn't it be in the Qur'an as well?

Italy and the Philippines are majority Christian countries, where most citizens are devout and go to Church at least once a week. I haven't heard of any massacres there.

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Reply #6 - Jan 24^th, 2010 at 11:32am

I know you're besieged by bigots, Abu, but Nigeria is a bad example. You know perfectly well that it's a tit for tat situation, and both Muslims and Christians have (by their own admission) been responsible for some terrible atrocities. For example a whole church full of worshippers (men women and children) were burnt alive in Northern Nigeria.

There are people from both sides of the conflict who are trying to defuse this terrible situation, but it's unfortunately very typical of sub-saharan Africa.

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/nigeria.muslimchristian.clash.kills.over.4...

I posted this link before, but this is an example of how there can be hope in such a dark situation through postive bipartisan action:

http://www.peoplebuildingpeace.org/thestories/article.php?typ=theme&id=93&pid=21

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Reply #7 - Jan 24^th, 2010 at 9:52pm

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it doesn't mean that it is a command.

Yes, it specifically states that God told them or commanded them to do it. As you can see in the passage below.

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Since you say that there are, could you direct me to them?

Here's one for a start:

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saith the LORD of hosts

, I remember [that] which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid [wait] for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman,

infant and suckling

, ox and sheep, camel and ass. (1 Samuel 15:2-3)

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And if it is in the OT, shouldn't it be in the Qur'an as well?

It should??? How so?

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Italy and the Philippines are majority Christian countries, where most citizens are devout and go to Church at least once a week. I haven't heard of any massacres there.

You haven't?? I've heard of plenty of massacres of Muslims in the Philipines (which used to be a Muslim country btw, until the Christians invaded it a few centuries ago, and began eradicating the Muslims). In fact there was a massacre only a few months ago, by a proxy of Gloria Arroyo's government, who slaughtered about 50 Muslims who were on their way to register to participate in elections against her party's candidate. There has been constant violence there since the Christians came and occupied the country, ethnically cleansing the Muslims until today they only exist on a few small islands in the south.

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Reply #8 - Jan 24^th, 2010 at 11:06pm

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Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember [that] which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid [wait] for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. (1 Samuel 15:2-3)

It's not much use saying anything to you, but for the benefit of others reading.

The difference is that God is telling someone to kill a particular person (Amalak) and his followers. There is nowhere anyone who says that this verse means christians have to kill everyone.

In contrast however, the Koran has every general rather than specific directions to kill unbelievers. In addition, there is a huge following of people who are directed to kill unbelievers.

The worst of it is not just the jihadis, but people like you who have no loyalty to this nation except that it may be a place that you can take over with your sharia mates.

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Reply #9 - Jan 25^th, 2010 at 12:11am The Amalek were an entire race/nation of people. Please, knowledge before participation, that's the rule in this thread.
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Reply #10 - Jan 25^th, 2010 at 7:23am

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 24^th, 2010 at 9:52pm:

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it doesn't mean that it is a command.

Yes, it specifically states that God told them or commanded them to do it. As you can see in the passage below.

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Since you say that there are, could you direct me to them?

Here's one for a start:

Thus

saith the LORD of hosts

, I remember [that] which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid [wait] for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman,

infant and suckling

, ox and sheep, camel and ass. (1 Samuel 15:2-3)

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And if it is in the OT, shouldn't it be in the Qur'an as well?

It should??? How so?

Hmm, okay. I'll ask someone about that passage later. My view is that the Qur'an is a rewrite of the Torah or OT. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Italy and the Philippines are majority Christian countries, where most citizens are devout and go to Church at least once a week. I haven't heard of any massacres there.

You haven't?? I've heard of plenty of massacres of Muslims in the Philipines (which used to be a Muslim country btw, until the Christians invaded it a few centuries ago, and began eradicating the Muslims). In fact there was a massacre only a few months ago, by a proxy of Gloria Arroyo's government, who slaughtered about 50 Muslims who were on their way to register to participate in elections against her party's candidate. There has been constant violence there since the Christians came and occupied the country, ethnically cleansing the Muslims until today they only exist on a few small islands in the south.

Muslims have never been a majority in the north, and their missionaries have never extended beyond the Visayas. If by massacres of Muslims in the Philippines you mean the crackdown on terrorist activities by Abu Sayyaf and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, then you have been misled. They are terrorist organisation who after the government generously granted partial autonomy to the MNLF in the regions of dispute, have continuously broken ceasefire with bombings targeting regular citizens. The Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao is still receiving 98% of its revenue from the Philippine Government and has yet to create its own sources of income. Can you imagine what would happen to the people living in places like Maguindanao if they were granted full autonomy with no reliance on the Philippines?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Reply #11 - Jan 25^th, 2010 at 8:57am Hlysnan wrote on Jan 25^th, 2010 at 7:23am: My view is that the Qur'an is a rewrite of the Torah or OT. Correct me if I'm wrong. It's a parody of both books of the Bible.
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Reply #12 - Jan 25^th, 2010 at 10:16am

Jaemi,

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Hmm, okay. I'll ask someone about that passage later.

There's quite a few more, so don't let your understanding of it be confused by the particular circumstances of that specific conflict. Which still could never justify slaughtering of little children and sucklings. That's a most abominable concept, which quite frankly I don't know how anyone could attribute to the Lord.

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My view is that the Qur'an is a rewrite of the Torah or OT. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You're wrong.

The Qur'an refers to some of the stories of the OT prophets, because they were true messengers of God. Likewise it refers to the Prophets of the NT and their supporters. If you approach this from the perspective of a non-believer in any of the books, then you would probably conclude "similar subject matter, same characters, must be a rewrite" I guess.

From the Islamic perspective however, we believe that God spoke to people all down through their history, and that books like the OT and NT are remnants of that. And so it's not unusual at all that God might mention some of his previous prophets, as he did from time to time in other scriptures. Is the NT a rewrite of the OT, simply because it mentions Abraham (pbuh) or Moses (pbuh)??

Btw, Torah is not equivalent to OT. Torah is just one small portion of the Tanakh (which Christians roughly call the OT).

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Muslims have never been a majority in the north, and their missionaries have never extended beyond the Visayas.

Really?? So there was never any Sultanate of Seludong (ie. what became Manila and environs)??? Interesting... I think you need to re-read the history on this.

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If by massacres of Muslims in the Philippines you mean the crackdown on terrorist activities by Abu Sayyaf and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front, then you have been misled.

No... I mean the army, and government-backed militias going to villages and massacring civilians. Someone here is certainly misled about this.

The MILF was formed as a response to the Jabidah massacre in 1968, so please don't use circular reasoning to establish why the massacres have taken place. They took place before any such groups existed, and they were in fact the reason the groups were formed in the first place, to defend themselves against the massacres.

And as I mentioned already, only a few months ago, members of Arroyo's party carried out a brutal massacre of Muslims in Maguindanao.

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Reply #13 - Jan 25^th, 2010 at 10:35am

what a load of islamic decepti0n you drivel abu.

eg, the great exodus is repeated in the koran many times.
But not the prededing marking of door jams with lambs blood for protection.
Both are very significant spiritually.

moh mentioned one many times, the jews told him about the torah before he murdered them all.
he could not/did not want to remember all the torah, it leads to christianity.

why did he not mention the blood of the lambs?
or did God forget about it ?

abus deceptive, as muslims are told to be.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Christian massacre of Muslims in Nigeria Reply #14 - Jan 25^th, 2010 at 6:02pm Was that English??
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