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Jan 6th, 2010 at 10:50am
 
Scientific prediction: Total collapse of USA is inevitable.


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"If I predicted this collapse in 2008, I would agree with you that it is obvious, but I made this prediction in 1998 in the city of Linz, Austria, where Hitler was born, and where Hitler wanted to gather all the art works of the world into a museum. It is beautiful city, and I attended a conference called "Information war". There were 400 attendees, I was the only one from Russia, there were 150 experts from United States. And this huge conference I presented my view on USA, by showing a map of USA split in regions as you see here, I had no idea how I would be received, but the map was greeted with a wild vocal response, and when I walked off the stage I saw that a very large Austrian guy was following me, I thought he was going to beat me up, but he put his arm around me and praised my presentation saying that "You are brave to, to speak about what we were thinking". I am basing my prediction on the fact that since 1945, United States had only three annual balanced budgets, and that situation has not improved since than. As you know I do like United States of America, and have visited it more than any other country. I did not think that I would come to such conclusion, until I reviewed the findings of my other colleagues”…

Igor Panarin



For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument -- that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual break up of the U.S. -- very seriously.

In recent weeks, he's been interviewed as much as twice a day about his predictions. "It's a record," says Prof. Panarin. "But I think the attention is going to grow even stronger."
Prof. Panarin, 50 years old, is not a fringe figure. He is dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats. He is invited to Kremlin receptions, lectures students, publishes books, and appears in the media as an expert on U.S.-Russia relations.
But it's his bleak forecast for the U.S. that is music to the ears of the Kremlin, which in recent years has blamed Washington for everything from instability in the Middle East to the global financial crisis. Mr. Panarin's views also fit neatly with the Kremlin's narrative that Russia is returning to its rightful place on the world stage after the weakness of the 1990s, when many feared that the country would go economically and politically bankrupt and break into separate territories.
A polite and cheerful man with a buzz cut, Mr. Panarin insists he does not dislike Americans. But he warns that the outlook for them is dire.
"There's a 55-45% chance right now that disintegration will occur," he says. "One could rejoice in that process," he adds, poker-faced. "But if we're talking reasonably, it's not the best scenario -- for Russia." Though Russia would become more powerful on the global stage, he says, its economy would suffer because it currently depends heavily on the dollar and on trade with the U.S.
Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces -- with Alaska reverting to Russian control.
In addition to increasing coverage in state media, which are tightly controlled by the Kremlin, Mr. Panarin's ideas are now being widely discussed among local experts. He presented his theory at a recent roundtable discussion at the Foreign Ministry. The country's top international relations school has hosted him as a keynote speaker. During an appearance on the state TV channel Rossiya, the station cut between his comments and TV footage of lines at soup kitchens and crowds of homeless people in the U.S. The professor has also been featured on the Kremlin's English-language propaganda channel, Russia Today.
Mr. Panarin's apocalyptic vision "reflects a very pronounced degree of anti-Americanism in Russia today," says Vladimir Pozner, a prominent TV journalist in Russia. "It's much stronger than it was in the Soviet Union."
Mr. Pozner and other Russian commentators and experts on the U.S. dismiss Mr. Panarin's predictions. "Crazy ideas are not usually discussed by serious people," says Sergei Rogov, director of the government-run Institute for U.S. and Canadian Studies, who thinks Mr. Panarin's theories don't hold water.
Mr. Panarin's résumé includes many years in the Soviet KGB, an experience shared by other top Russian officials. His office, in downtown Moscow, shows his national pride, with pennants on the wall bearing the emblem of the FSB, the KGB's successor agency. It is also full of statuettes of eagles; a double-headed eagle was the symbol of czarist Russia.
In post-Soviet Russia, Mr. Panarin got a doctorate in political science, studied U.S. economics, and worked for FAPSI, then the Russian equivalent of the U.S. National Security Agency. He says he did strategy forecasts for then-President Boris Yeltsin, adding that the details are "classified."


...More:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/04/igor-panarin-us-will-coll_n_171725.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a3sayDZz.QKc&refer=us

http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/capital-commerce/2009/0
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Reply #1 - Jan 6th, 2010 at 7:31pm
 
Headline: Scientific prediction - that's a dead giveaway - social scientist speaks, you know it must be crap...


He is nuts. Igor, go 'n get a brain.

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Reply #2 - Jan 6th, 2010 at 8:08pm
 
Kansas and Missouri under Canadian influence.... this is really something I would never expect.
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Reply #3 - Jan 6th, 2010 at 8:34pm
 
Insha'allah.

Would be nice if they carved out a nice big chunk of land and gave it to the Palestinians too, so they could kick all the Yanks there into refugee camps and give them a taste of their own medicine. Demolishing their apartment blocks with helicopter gunships and the like.
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Reply #4 - Jan 7th, 2010 at 8:27am
 
Soren wrote on Jan 6th, 2010 at 7:31pm:
Headline: Scientific prediction - that's a dead giveaway - social scientist speaks, you know it must be crap...


He is nuts. Igor, go 'n get a brain.

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Ha, ha don’t be another irrational racist Russophobic.
America is not only Empire in the history of the world to be disintegrated. It happened to Roman Empire, Othoman Empire, British Empire and naturally to USA empire. There is nothing wrong about that it’s natural process of moral cleansing and revival.
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Reply #5 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 4:54pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 6th, 2010 at 8:34pm:
Insha'allah.

Would be nice if they carved out a nice big chunk of land and gave it to the Palestinians too, so they could kick all the Yanks there into refugee camps and give them a taste of their own medicine. Demolishing their apartment blocks with helicopter gunships and the like.


yes that would be ''nice''. an eye for an eye and we all go blind...
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Reply #6 - Jan 8th, 2010 at 5:10pm
 
Good for a laugh... But that's about all... No collapse... In the tradition of the British Empire before it, which determined that its security required its armed forces to be the size of its two greatest enemies (Spain and France) combined, the United States maintains its armed forces at greater than the entire world's armed forces combined...

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Reply #7 - Jan 9th, 2010 at 11:09am
 
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No collapse... In the tradition of the British Empire before it


Something you're forgetting helian, the British had the good sense to step down and give up their empire. The U.S will not, they are too arrogant and filled with hubris.

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the United States maintains its armed forces at greater than the entire world's armed forces combined...


As the U.S is slowly learning, large forces and technological advancements do not a successful war make, anymore.

All the rules have changed, and the U.S is going to have to adapt dramatically if she's to keep up and maintain her position in the world.
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Reply #8 - Jan 9th, 2010 at 11:20am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 9th, 2010 at 11:09am:
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No collapse... In the tradition of the British Empire before it


Something you're forgetting helian, the British had the good sense to step down and give up their empire. The U.S will not, they are too arrogant and filled with hubris.

Grin That's a good 'un... Grin

The British did not willingly give up their empire. They were bankrupted by WWII and then still forced to surrender it virtually at gun point.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 9th, 2010 at 11:09am:
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the United States maintains its armed forces at greater than the entire world's armed forces combined...


As the U.S is slowly learning, large forces and technological advancements do not a successful war make, anymore.

All the rules have changed, and the U.S is going to have to adapt dramatically if she's to keep up and maintain her position in the world.

Not really, historical backwaters like Afghanistan have been and will always be ungovernable... And what does it matter? Ultimately Afghanis will be left to their own devices and kept in check with a deal like that of Pakistan's (and the British Empire before it) with their tribal frontier... a la 'What happens in Afghanistan stays in Afghanistan... Step over the line and we fight... Otherwise, have a nice day'

The US will not be the only superpower who will keep the peace. The emergent giants of China and India will be only too happy to assist to ensure their ascendancy remains undisturbed by militant religious/political ideologues.

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Reply #9 - Jan 9th, 2010 at 11:42am
 
They gave it up pretty peacefully considering. They could've forced it and kept it, slaughtered millions etc. but they did not. Probably about one of the only honourable things they did.

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Not really, historical backwaters like Afghanistan have been and will always be ungovernable... And what does it matter?


Afghanistan is only the beginning. The U.S has bitten off a lot more than they can chew, and they're only just beginning to realise it.

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a deal like that of Pakistan's (and the British Empire before it) with their tribal frontier... a la 'What happens in Afghanistan stays in Afghanistan... Step over the line and we fight... Otherwise, have a nice day'


The conflict the U.S began by going into Afghanistan then Iraq, then Pakistan, and now perhaps Yemen?? And maybe North Africa somewhere down the track is most certainly not going to be limited to a little tribal quelling and buying off. If you think that's going to be the case, then you really haven't been following this properly helian.

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Reply #10 - Jan 9th, 2010 at 1:35pm
 
Igor Panarin has certainly gained a lot of attention with his predictions. Of course, anyone can make predictions; I've read all I can by and about Mr. Panarin, and I've yet to come across anything which tells me he's more qualified than other mortals to foretell the future.


"Mr. Panarin posits, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces -- with Alaska reverting to Russian control."

I'm sure this would please a lot of people, not least the guy who Panarin ultimately works for, Vladimir Putin. But the chances of the US breaking up in 2010, or anytime in the near future, are approximately the same as of me winning the Lotto.
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Reply #11 - Jan 9th, 2010 at 3:29pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 9th, 2010 at 11:42am:
They gave it up pretty peacefully considering. They could've forced it and kept it, slaughtered millions etc. but they did not. Probably about one of the only honourable things they did.

No choice but to walk away when you've got no money for arms, independence movements sprouting up everywhere in the empire and your greatest ally, the US, demands that you give it all up... Even the British people had had enough of empire and war after WW2.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 9th, 2010 at 11:42am:
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Not really, historical backwaters like Afghanistan have been and will always be ungovernable... And what does it matter?


Afghanistan is only the beginning. The U.S has bitten off a lot more than they can chew, and they're only just beginning to realise it.

If only they knew something about geography and history Grin

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 9th, 2010 at 11:42am:
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a deal like that of Pakistan's (and the British Empire before it) with their tribal frontier... a la 'What happens in Afghanistan stays in Afghanistan... Step over the line and we fight... Otherwise, have a nice day'


The conflict the U.S began by going into Afghanistan then Iraq, then Pakistan, and now perhaps Yemen?? And maybe North Africa somewhere down the track is most certainly not going to be limited to a little tribal quelling and buying off. If you think that's going to be the case, then you really haven't been following this properly helian.

I don't believe they will go into Yemen... a state not failed but failing... But there's plenty of ways to kill cockroaches other than poisoning yourself in the process.
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Reply #12 - Jan 9th, 2010 at 6:54pm
 
The US never had an empire and never will because it has nio inclination towards empire. It's not that kind of country.
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Soren wrote on Jan 9th, 2010 at 6:54pm:
The US never had an empire and never will because it has nio inclination towards empire. It's not that kind of country.

With over 750 fully operational military bases around the world (many times more than any military power in history) the US is an empire in all but self-acknowledgement.
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Reply #14 - Jan 9th, 2010 at 7:34pm
 
Obama won't attack al Qaeda bases within Yemen without the permission of the Yemeni government. It's a completely different situation than Afghanistan and Iraq.
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