Luckily the denialists told me we are in a cooling cycle, which is probably true in a relative sort of way, 'cos when we get the added pressure of another base el nino effect, which will probably be this year and next, we can expect to see all the records smashed again.

It will not make any difference to the full on denialists, but the folk who are ambivalent about it now, may sit up and start to take a greater interest in seeing action taken.

jordan484 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2010 at 7:01pm:


The Earth is 4.5 billion years old. (Today)

Do you have 4.5 billion candles on you? We could have a party.

Stuffed if I know how far back Australian data goes. I'd guess back to Federation. Before that it wasn't Australian data.

Have there been warmer periods before? Yes, probably around the Holocene Optimum,  but how is that even relevant?

I was basically pouncing on the article because it's journalistic waffle that denialists love to pounce on saying "see - scientists say......"

Well journalists are not scientists, but they tend to deduce things from inappropriate data. Let's wait for the real data.

Of course we never win against the true believers among the denialists. Science is limited by its refusal to make stuff up. Hmm reminds me of a cartoon I once saw.

Yes, most predictions I have read have said they expect new peaks to be hit in the 2010 to 2014 period, and then some decline from those new peaks for possibly as much as a decade.

Of course the background warming will continue, but we will probably see a slow down of denialist spruiking during the new record temps, but then renewed calls of it all being over once the temps settle again.

I was listening to the news at lunchtime and what I said the other day about climate and weather was one of the news stories, I don't expect to convince all the confusionalists here but maybe this might make it a bit clearer for the ones who are not alarmist confusionalists.
The weather is measured on a day by day month by month basis, whilst climate is measured by a period of at least thirty years, so the confusionalists who state that climate change is not happening on the basis it is snowing in Europe and the USA are just confusing the weather with climate change.
I'm sure anybody who passed year two at school can understand that, my seven year old can, its pretty simple, but then not many confusionalists seem to understand simple.

muso wrote on Jan 6^th, 2010 at 8:38am:



Indeed, science is. The same cannot be said for scientists.

Here's another one, made laughable by his own words:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/rodliddle/

Soren wrote on Jan 11^th, 2010 at 3:34pm:


Indeed. Rod Liddle is laughable.