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Reply #1 - Dec 19th, 2009 at 7:56pm
 
Dude, we get nothing from the so called "parliamentarians" who are apparently are our "representatives". The only people who they actually represent are the international capitalist-intelligentsia regime. The "parliamentarians" are told what to do not by the ordinary people on the street but by their international pay masters, the capitalists. Australia is not a real democracy. Freedom of speech is not a right guaranteed by the federal constitution nor by any law. The Commonwealth is not a signatory to the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. Thus, Australians have very few rights.
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Hear Hear Aussie Skinhead. When will we ever come to the realization?



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Reply #3 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 9:22am
 
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 19th, 2009 at 7:56pm:
Dude, we get nothing from the so called "parliamentarians" who are apparently are our "representatives". The only people who they actually represent are the international capitalist-intelligentsia regime. The "parliamentarians" are told what to do not by the ordinary people on the street but by their international pay masters, the capitalists. Australia is not a real democracy. Freedom of speech is not a right guaranteed by the federal constitution nor by any law. The Commonwealth is not a signatory to the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. Thus, Australians have very few rights.

After the rhetoric, what rights or freedoms , exactly, do you believe you're being denied?
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Reply #4 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 10:43am
 
Freedom of speech is a joke. Our so called "right" is seriously undermined by the racial vilification laws. If one tries to speak the truth about immigration and race, he is labeled a "racist" by the capitalist-intelligentsia and quickly punished according to the anti-free speech laws. How is that democratic? It is like some thing out of Soviet Russia or some thing.
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Reply #5 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 10:52am
 
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 10:43am:
Freedom of speech is a joke. Our so called "right" is seriously undermined by the racial vilification laws. If one tries to speak the truth about immigration and race, he is labeled a "racist" by the capitalist-intelligentsia and quickly punished according to the anti-free speech laws. How is that democratic? It is like some thing out of Soviet Russia or some thing.  

What are the anti-free speech laws?

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Reply #6 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 10:59am
 
I just told you, the anti racial vilification laws.
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Reply #7 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 11:15am
 
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 10:59am:
I just told you, the anti racial vilification laws.

What do they state specifically?
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Reply #8 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 12:22pm
 
I won't just state them I'll publish them straight from the legal web sites.

QUEENSLAND - ANTI DISCRIMINATION ACT

Page 67, Part 2 -  Incitement to racial or religious hatred

A person must not, by advocating racial or religious hatred or
hostility, incite unlawful discrimination or another contravention of the Act.
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Reply #9 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 12:48pm
 
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 12:22pm:
I won't just state them I'll publish them straight from the legal web sites.

QUEENSLAND - ANTI DISCRIMINATION ACT

Page 67, Part 2 -  Incitement to racial or religious hatred

A person must not, by advocating racial or religious hatred or
hostility, incite unlawful discrimination or another contravention of the Act.

What do you find unacceptable about Queensland's anti-discrimination act (specifically regarding incitement to racial or religious hatred) ?
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Reply #10 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 1:56pm
 
We all know what the law is really trying to target. It basically makes it illegal to criticize other groups because it might "offend" them and stir up "racial hatred". Thus, it is kind of illegal to freely debate racial topics, immigration and other important issues.
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Reply #11 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 2:07pm
 
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 1:56pm:
We all know what the law is really trying to target. It basically makes it illegal to criticize other groups because it might "offend" them and stir up "racial hatred". Thus, it is kind of illegal to freely debate racial topics, immigration and other important issues.

Where does it state that it is unlawful to debate racial topics, immigration and other important issues? Doesn't the act specifically state that discussion under these circumstances is lawful?

"We all know" ? who is "we"?

"kind of illegal"? Its either legal or its not.
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Reply #12 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 4:21pm
 
Basically it makes it illegal because you can't talk freely about it because you might offend some one.
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Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 4:21pm:
Basically it makes it illegal because you can't talk freely about it because you might offend some one.

Doesn't it specifically state that the act does not prohibit discussion about racial matters that is in the public interest (such as immigration, multiculturalism, refugees, asylum seekers et al..) ?
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Reply #14 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 8:30pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 5:00pm:
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 4:21pm:
Basically it makes it illegal because you can't talk freely about it because you might offend some one.

Doesn't it specifically state that the act does not prohibit discussion about racial matters that is in the public interest (such as immigration, multiculturalism, refugees, asylum seekers et al..) ?

But it still restricts what you can say. A multiculturalists might claim that a comment made by a man is "racist" and thus not a the public interest. Thus, according to the madness of the ideology, the man will be prosecuted for "racist" comments that are not in the public "interest".
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Reply #15 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 9:03pm
 
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 8:30pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 5:00pm:
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 4:21pm:
Basically it makes it illegal because you can't talk freely about it because you might offend some one.

Doesn't it specifically state that the act does not prohibit discussion about racial matters that is in the public interest (such as immigration, multiculturalism, refugees, asylum seekers et al..) ?

But it still restricts what you can say. A multiculturalists might claim that a comment made by a man is "racist" and thus not a the public interest. Thus, according to the madness of the ideology, the man will be prosecuted for "racist" comments that are not in the public "interest".

They would need to prove the "racist" comment contravenes the act. Complaining about a comment like "I think Australia is accepting too many Asian immigrants" would get nowhere because it is not in itself a contravention.

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Reply #16 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 10:29pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 9:03pm:
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 8:30pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 5:00pm:
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 4:21pm:
Basically it makes it illegal because you can't talk freely about it because you might offend some one.

Doesn't it specifically state that the act does not prohibit discussion about racial matters that is in the public interest (such as immigration, multiculturalism, refugees, asylum seekers et al..) ?

But it still restricts what you can say. A multiculturalists might claim that a comment made by a man is "racist" and thus not a the public interest. Thus, according to the madness of the ideology, the man will be prosecuted for "racist" comments that are not in the public "interest".

They would need to prove the "racist" comment contravenes the act. Complaining about a comment like "I think Australia is accepting too many Asian immigrants" would get nowhere because it is not in itself a contravention.


But there could be a possibility of the guy getting prosecuted. It would be up to the judge to decide on whether or not it is racist. And who exactly is in a position to determine if it is racist?
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Reply #17 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 11:40pm
 
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 10:29pm:
But there could be a possibility of the guy getting prosecuted. It would be up to the judge to decide on whether or not it is racist. And who exactly is in a position to determine if it is racist?

Not just racist... The prosecution would have to prove that the sole reason for the offending comment was to incite racial / religious hatred (or was solely intended to cause and did cause serious offence) in the "most vile and serious of manners".

What kind of comment did you intend to make that makes you wonder whether you would be contravening the act?
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Reply #18 - Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:54am
 
While I agree with Aussie Skinhead about how few rights as Australian citizens we have.  Something like the American bill of rights goes far beyond what any other country has ever acheived.

How anti-rascistl laws could truly restrict us is something I don't understand.

Democracy in this world is dead.  But I think you're being hypocrytical.  You're a Nazi supporter?  Adolf Hitler shredded the German constitution and removed all rights from the German people.  All free speach was prohibited.  If you denied their insane science or their fascist warlike government they were taken to the Gestapo and murdered.  

Penny Wong is an imbecile, the only purpose she had at those meetings was to bully 3rd world countries into signing onto world government and enhance her prestige.  Our current government is one of the worst we have seen.  

People should realise that we are in very deep trouble if our government intends to restrict our carbon emmissions by 25% over the next few years without the consent of the Senate.  Our standard of living and economy will be ruined.
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How anti-rascistl laws could truly restrict us is something I don't understand.


The laws are designed to intimidate white racialists by making out that their views are some how illegal.
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I will give you a few examples of how the law has been used to stifle white racialists and ordinary people on the street. Up in north Queensland, a mob of blacks were annoying a middle aged white man. The white man got sick of the annoyance and simply told the blacks a few home truths. The blacks were horrified at the retaliation, which they provoked, and made a complaint to the police. The white man was fined $1,500. In South Australia, a holocaust revisionist, Frederick Toben, was sentenced to three months jail for holocaust revisionism. In West Australia, a anti Zionist campaigner was arrested for his anti Zionist activities.
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Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 21st, 2009 at 11:11am:
I will give you a few examples of how the law has been used to stifle white racialists and ordinary people on the street. Up in north Queensland, a mob of blacks were annoying a middle aged white man. The white man got sick of the annoyance and simply told the blacks a few home truths. The blacks were horrified at the retaliation, which they provoked, and made a complaint to the police. The white man was fined $1,500. In South Australia, a holocaust revisionist, Frederick Toben, was sentenced to three months jail for holocaust revisionism. In West Australia, a anti Zionist campaigner was arrested for his anti Zionist activities.

Are you planning on vilifying aboriginal people? Or are you planning on becoming an anti-Zionist campaigner? Are there ways you can protest over Israeli actions against Palestinians without resorting to videoing yourself on an anti-Semitic hate rant?
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I am anti Zionist. I have always criticized the illegal Jewish group known as the "state of Israel". As for the blacks, I give them filthy looks down down. Other then that, I don't have much to do or say about the blacks.
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Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 21st, 2009 at 1:32pm:
I am anti Zionist. I have always criticized the illegal Jewish group known as the "state of Israel". As for the blacks, I give them filthy looks down down. Other then that, I don't have much to do or say about the blacks.

Then you have nothing to fear from the existence of anti-discrimination legislation and minorities you have a problem with have legal recourse against racial vilification in the same way anti-defamation legislation grants you legal recourse should someone choose to defame you.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 22nd, 2009 at 12:02am:
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 21st, 2009 at 1:32pm:
I am anti Zionist. I have always criticized the illegal Jewish group known as the "state of Israel". As for the blacks, I give them filthy looks down down. Other then that, I don't have much to do or say about the blacks.

Then you have nothing to fear from the existence of anti-discrimination legislation and minorities you have a problem with have legal recourse against racial vilification in the same way anti-defamation legislation grants you legal recourse should someone choose to defame you.


The laws might not apply in my case but what about all the other guys who have been prosecuted because of their racial and/or religious views? There is a fine line set by the laws between criticizing and vilifying races and religions. The laws are dangerous and should be abolished.
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Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 22nd, 2009 at 2:28pm:
The laws might not apply in my case but what about all the other guys who have been prosecuted because of their racial and/or religious views? There is a fine line set by the laws between criticizing and vilifying races and religions. The laws are dangerous and should be abolished.

The laws are protective and, given the very few successful prosecutions, are applied with restraint.

Those whose sole intent is to vilify others are violating the reasonable limits of free speech in similar fashion to those who intentionally defame someone in order to publicly vilify them.
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NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 22nd, 2009 at 2:51pm:
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The laws might not apply in my case but what about all the other guys who have been prosecuted because of their racial and/or religious views? There is a fine line set by the laws between criticizing and vilifying races and religions. The laws are dangerous and should be abolished.

The laws are protective and, given the very few successful prosecutions, are applied with restraint.

Those whose sole intent is to vilify others are violating the reasonable limits of free speech in similar fashion to those who intentionally defame someone in order to publicly vilify them.

But who should define what is defamation and slander? Isn't it dangerous to try and limit free speech based on some idle speculation on what is "racial vilification"?
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Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 22nd, 2009 at 7:30pm:
But who should define what is defamation and slander? Isn't it dangerous to try and limit free speech based on some idle speculation on what is "racial vilification"?

That's what judges are for... To determine the difference between reasonable free speech and unbridled free rein.

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NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 23rd, 2009 at 2:00am:
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 22nd, 2009 at 7:30pm:
But who should define what is defamation and slander? Isn't it dangerous to try and limit free speech based on some idle speculation on what is "racial vilification"?

That's what judges are for... To determine the difference between reasonable free speech and unbridled free rein.


But why should we limit free speech? We haven't needed such laws for most of mankind's history. It was the multiculturalists who turned this into an issue. They should be ignored and the non whites should be kicked out. That way, we won't need the laws and the debate regarding them.
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But why should we limit free speech? We haven't needed such laws for most of mankind's history.

Are you serious? Grin

Can you actually imagine a monarch or a Pope or any other politico-religious primate tolerating free speech prior to the modern era?

Even today the crime of insulting the monarch carries a prison sentence in some countries... Thailand for instance.
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Reply #29 - Dec 23rd, 2009 at 10:55pm
 
Whenever you attempt to stereotype any racial groups as all having a single propensity, then you are always going to lose the argument, before you even start, but if you point out common patterns of anti-social behaviour, and do it in a non-threatening, and not deliberately offensive manner, then I cannot see that you would ever have any problem with any laws in australia Aussie Skinhead.

You seem to be able to express your views in a reasonably polite way here, and still get your point of view heard.

If you wish for more than that, if you wish to provoke confrontation, then perhaps the laws may seek to make that option less appealing, and I do not have any problem with that.

When groups seek to manipulate the laws of the land to stifle fair and reasonable discussion of behaviours displayed by representative members of didtinct racial groups, then we must rely on the common sense of the judiciary, and the weight of public opinion to make sure that the right to make reasonable criticism is not denied us, and I think most would agree that we want to keep that option.
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Whenever you attempt to stereotype any racial groups as all having a single propensity, then you are always going to lose the argument, before you even start, but if you point out common patterns of anti-social behaviour, and do it in a non-threatening, and not deliberately offensive manner, then I cannot see that you would ever have any problem with any laws in australia Aussie Skinhead.

Stereotypes are derived from observations of common behaviours of certain types of people. Stereotypes are often common behaviours of people. They may be exaggerated but they are often true.
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Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 24th, 2009 at 5:58pm:
mozzaok wrote on Dec 23rd, 2009 at 10:55pm:
Whenever you attempt to stereotype any racial groups as all having a single propensity, then you are always going to lose the argument, before you even start, but if you point out common patterns of anti-social behaviour, and do it in a non-threatening, and not deliberately offensive manner, then I cannot see that you would ever have any problem with any laws in australia Aussie Skinhead.

Stereotypes are derived from observations of common behaviours of certain types of people. Stereotypes are often common behaviours of people. They may be exaggerated but they are often true.  



Well therin lies the problem that people are not permitted to be brutally honest unless their comments fit a certain agenda.
I could rattle off loads of situations where stereotypical judgements are accepted because they fit a certain agenda which therefore makes it politically correct to silence the dissenters.
It's this type of dishonesty that allows the bank owners to rule the whole damned schemozzle.

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Whenever you attempt to stereotype any racial groups as all having a single propensity, then you are always going to lose the argument, before you even start, but if you point out common patterns of anti-social behaviour, and do it in a non-threatening, and not deliberately offensive manner, then I cannot see that you would ever have any problem with any laws in australia Aussie Skinhead.

Stereotypes are derived from observations of common behaviours of certain types of people. Stereotypes are often common behaviours of people. They may be exaggerated but they are often true.  

Why are stereotypes of others more often negative?

Have you noticed that its easier to see fault in others than in oneself?
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Reply #33 - Dec 25th, 2009 at 4:41pm
 
Of course there are negative stereotypes because people take notice of bad things instead of good things. Yes, we have problems our selves but does that justify importing other people who have problems?

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Well therin lies the problem that people are not permitted to be brutally honest unless their comments fit a certain agenda.
I could rattle off loads of situations where stereotypical judgements are accepted because they fit a certain agenda which therefore makes it politically correct to silence the dissenters.
It's this type of dishonesty that allows the bank owners to rule the whole damned schemozzle.


Every one has a agenda. Some agendas are good while others are bad. People should be allowed to speak freely and be as blunt as possible if they like. I'm not saying that stereotypes are correct but they do have some factual truth. One, in making a judgment, should be allowed to take into account any thing he likes that is relevant to a  case. Every thing shapes a man. A man's background, political, economic and social believes and every thing else are influenced by a variety of different things like race, ethnicity, past experiences etc.
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Reply #34 - Dec 26th, 2009 at 10:06am
 
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Of course there are negative stereotypes because people take notice of bad things instead of good things. Yes, we have problems our selves but does that justify importing other people who have problems?

And wouldn't people of particular mindsets be predisposed to believe bad things about the other more readily and be less likely to apply any critical thinking to the matter?

Not importing people who have problems... Should that be applied without regard to ethnicity?
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Please explain
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Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 26th, 2009 at 11:37am:
Please explain

If you're predisposed to see the bad in a particular other, you're not in an ideal situation to judge whether what you believe of that other is a fair and true account of their essence... In other words, when it comes to an assessment of that other, you'd have to disqualify yourself from making judgement due to your prejudicial mindset. In your case any non-white is inherently inferior in all the important things including morally and socially... That would make it impossible for you to be fair and just when assessing the character of a non-white individual.

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As a white racialist, I am able to make a good judgment. Why? Because I have come to my conclusions through a long process of thinking about the said topics and that. I use to be a communist but I studied and read about what was really going on and I changed my mind.
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As a white racialist, I am able to make a good judgment. Why? Because I have come to my conclusions through a long process of thinking about the said topics and that. I use to be a communist but I studied and read about what was really going on and I changed my mind.

But would you concede that due to your strong dislike of non-whites you would not be capable of making an even-handed and just assessment of a non-white's character?
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Reply #39 - Dec 29th, 2009 at 3:34pm
 
No, not really. All because I don't like them doesn't mean I can't make a fair judgment. One can always be neutral in such matters. Now, aren't you just making a stereotype of "racists" and skinheads by making such claims?
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Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 29th, 2009 at 3:34pm:
No, not really. All because I don't like them doesn't mean I can't make a fair judgment. One can always be neutral in such matters.

I'd suggest that depends on the depth of your animosity towards them... But if you believe you can be even-handed in your judgement of them regardless of the depth of your dislike for them, then would you concede that there are some non-whites who would make (and do make) better citizens than some whites?

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Now, aren't you just making a stereotype of "racists" and skinheads by making such claims?

I'm not making any claims, I'm basing on my questions on statements you have made about your expressed opinions about non-whites. You are also clearly an admirer of Nazism, so why do you think its presumptuous of anyone to infer that you agree with their racist ideology?
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Yes, in their own county. They have their own countries so they don't need ours. Most non whites don't make good citizens because they are too different to us.
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Of course I agree with National Socialism. I didn't say that people are making presumptions when they claim that I agree with National Socialism or with the skinhead movement. After all, I am a National Socialist skinhead.
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Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 29th, 2009 at 5:24pm:
Yes, in their own county. They have their own countries so they don't need ours. Most non whites don't make good citizens because they are too different to us.

Then are you sure you could be reasonable, fair and just in your assessment of non-whites in Australia, given that you don't believe they should be resident here in the first place?

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Of course I agree with National Socialism. I didn't say that people are making presumptions when they claim that I agree with National Socialism or with the skinhead movement. After all, I am a National Socialist skinhead.

And National Socialism includes a distinctly racist ideology... So how do you reconcile that with your claims of being capable of fairness towards non-whites?
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Of course I would be fair. The fair thing to do would be to deport them because they don't belong here. It isn' fair to trick them into thinking that they can integrate into the Australian society.

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As I have said before, the word "racist" is a Jewish Communist term. The whole idea of anti-racism is culturally Marxist and thus communist. Cultural Marxism was invented by Jewish Communist intellectuals in the west during the 1920s. National Socialism is derived from observations of nature and interactions between people of different sexes, nationalities, classes, ethnicities and races. Thus, it is fair to implement the views of National Socialism in regards to people of different races, ethnic ties and nationalities.
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Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 29th, 2009 at 11:46pm:
Of course I would be fair. The fair thing to do would be to deport them because they don't belong here. It isn' fair to trick them into thinking that they can integrate into the Australian society.

Fair to whom? Deport them to where? Justice and fairness require you to put aside how you feel about them and judge them by the content of their character. If they have broken no laws, contribute to the economy, have in every way acted as decent citizens, what possible just reason would there be to expel them against their will?

Should white people be deported if they break Australian law?

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As I have said before, the word "racist" is a Jewish Communist term. The whole idea of anti-racism is culturally Marxist and thus communist. Cultural Marxism was invented by Jewish Communist intellectuals in the west during the 1920s. National Socialism is derived from observations of nature and interactions between people of different sexes, nationalities, classes, ethnicities and races. Thus, it is fair to implement the views of National Socialism in regards to people of different races, ethnic ties and nationalities.

What difference does it make about the origins of a term? Let's call it grebelianism, so long as we agree it includes reference to an act of or predisposition towards vehement hatred of those exhibiting a certain outward physiology and the subsequent act or pre-disposition towards an act of pre-judgement based solely on physiological appearance, then its grebelianism or... racism.
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Fair to whom? Deport them to where?

It is fair to every one because it takes not of people's differences. A National Socialist government will deport people of foreign races back to their racial fatherlands.

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National Socialism is not about feelings but about facts and observations. Facts are derived from observations of different peoples. One does justice by implementing findings that are derived from facts which are in turn made from observations. One's own feelings may be formed based on such observations in one's own life.

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If they have broken no laws, contribute to the economy, have in every way acted as decent citizens, what possible just reason would there be to expel them against their will?


Because they don't fit in and are undesirable for the Australian society. The facts, which National Socialism is based on, clearly state that non whites have a high chance of committing illegal acts. Why is it that Aboriginals count for 20% of the prison population? Why is it that most gangs in Sydney and Melbourne belong to certain races and ethnicities? Why is it that Sydney and Melbourne have high rates of crime? I tell you why. The reason is simple. It is all to do with the biological, sociological and cultural differences between the people of the white race and the people of the other races. National Socialism recognises this and incorporates it in it's ideology.

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Should white people be deported if they break Australian law?


No, because Australia belongs to the white race.
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What difference does it make about the origins of a term?


The whole debate about racialism is inherently Marxist in it's nature. Marxism, through "anti-racism" seeks to divide the societies of the western white nations. If we are to reject Marxism, we must first reject anti-racism because of it's underlining intentions and motives. We all know what the motives of Leon Trotsky were. He, along with the Marxist intellectuals in the west, wanted a world wide communist revolution. At the time, the countries of the west were monocultural, strong and stable.  In order to create instability, the Marxist intellectuals created anti-racism, multiculturalism and political correctness.
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White racialism is not "racist". White racialism is not about committing acts of "predisposition towards vehement hatred of those exhibiting a certain outward physiology and the subsequent act or pre-disposition towards an act of pre-judgement based solely on physiological appearance". White racialism is about wanting to preserve the white race the cultures and ethnicities of the white race.
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Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 30th, 2009 at 11:56pm:
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It is fair to every one because it takes not of people's differences. A National Socialist government will deport people of foreign races back to their racial fatherlands.

Grin... Yairs acourse.... The fatherland. Lands most non-whites in Australia have never seen, do not identify and have no intention of emigrating to.

I don't think Australia has much to worry about its young National Socialists. Grin

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National Socialism is not about feelings but about facts and observations.

Dya think? Grin How do you feel when you meet a group of ...  (Shocked) ethnics?

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If they have broken no laws, contribute to the economy, have in every way acted as decent citizens, what possible just reason would there be to expel them against their will?


Because they don't fit in and are undesirable for the Australian society.

Grin Don't you think that having broken no laws, contributing to the economy, in every way acting as decent citizens is proof-positive that they, in fact, 'fit in'?

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Why is it that Aboriginals count for 20% of the prison population?

Grin To what country, exactly, would you exile Aboriginals?

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No, because Australia belongs to the white race.

Grin Apart from the existence of those pesky Aboriginals.

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White racialism is not "racist". White racialism is not about committing acts of "predisposition towards vehement hatred of those exhibiting a certain outward physiology and the subsequent act or pre-disposition towards an act of pre-judgement based solely on physiological appearance". White racialism is about wanting to preserve the white race the cultures and ethnicities of the white race.  

Grin And about treating non-whites with extreme prejudice on sight even to the extent that you'd have them deported to lands they've never known nor identify, without them having ever committed a crime against the people or the state.
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Grin... Yairs acourse.... The fatherland. Lands most non-whites in Australia have never seen, do not identify and have no intention of emigrating to.


It is their biological lands. They don't belong to Australia because Australia is white man's territory.
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Dya think? Grin How do you feel when you meet a group of ...  (Shocked) ethnics?


I don't like ethnics. They are subhuman.
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Grin Don't you think that having broken no laws, contributing to the economy, in every way acting as decent citizens is proof-positive that they, in fact, 'fit in'?


The non whites only number less then two million. They don't actually contribute much to the economy and if they do then they are most likely taking jobs and work off white people. An example would be how foreign students are taking jobs off White Australian teenagers. As a White Australian teenager, it is difficult for me to get a job because there are thousands of foreigners who would do they job much more cheaply. They don't know their industrial relations rights where as I do. The foreigners wouldn't even know what a  trade union was. Indian students, who come to study here in Australia so that they can become citizens, are notorious for living in overcrowded conditions and working for NOTHING!!! How can White Australian teenagers compete with that? Us whites don't want to work for nothing and we especially don't want to work in poor conditions. We don't want to live in overcrowded houses.

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Grin To what country, exactly, would you exile Aboriginals?


The blacks will be deported to reserved areas in the Australian bush. The reserved areas will be called "Aboriginal and Mixed Race Homelands".

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Grin Apart from the existence of those pesky Aboriginals.


The blacks are a defeated race. The Aboriginals are a dying race.

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National Socialism has no intention of exterminating other races. National Socialists only want separate countries for white people. We simply want to preserve the white race and it's cultures and ethnic groups. Non whites on large have a high chance of committing crimes, wanting to change the Australian society along their lines etc. National Socialism rejects this and seeks to rectify the situation by removing the undesirables from the Australian society.
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QED.

What more can be said? Grin
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I don't think so.
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With poverty comes crime, as you know most Aboriginals live in poorer conditions or in poverty than the average family and that's what makes up the 20% of prisoners.

You don't like ethnics they are subhuman?
And is there any scientific backing of any kind to support you, of course not. 

However I do support tougher restrictions on migrants to Australia, not related to race but protecting the jobs and living standard of all Australians.
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You are forgetting the blacks simply refuse to move away from their slums into areas where there are jobs. Plus, the blacks perform terribly at school and often get pathetic jobs. The blacks have no excuses.


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And is there any scientific backing of any kind to support you, of course not.  

Yes, there is scientific proof. There is a 1.5 to 5% difference between the white race and the non whites.

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When scientists first decoded the human genome in 2000, they were quick to portray it as proof of humankind’s remarkable similarity. The DNA of any two people, they emphasized, is at least 99 percent identical.

But new research is exploring the remaining fraction to explain differences between people of different continental origins.

Scientists, for instance, have recently identified small changes in DNA that account for the pale skin of Europeans, the tendency of Asians to sweat less and West Africans’ resistance to certain diseases.

At the same time, genetic information is slipping out of the laboratory and into everyday life, carrying with it the inescapable message that people of different races have different DNA. Ancestry tests tell customers what percentage of their genes are from Asia, Europe, Africa and the Americas. The heart-disease drug BiDil is marketed exclusively to African-Americans, who seem genetically predisposed to respond to it. Jews are offered prenatal tests for genetic disorders rarely found in other ethnic groups.

Such developments are providing some of the first tangible benefits of the genetic revolution. Yet some social critics fear they may also be giving long-discredited racial prejudices a new potency. The notion that race is more than skin deep, they fear, could undermine principles of equal treatment and opportunity that have relied on the presumption that we are all fundamentally equal.

“We are living through an era of the ascendance of biology, and we have to be very careful,” said Henry Louis Gates Jr., director of the W. E. B. Du Bois Institute for African and African American Research at Harvard University. “We will all be walking a fine line between using biology and allowing it to be abused.”

Certain superficial traits like skin pigmentation have long been presumed to be genetic. But the ability to pinpoint their DNA source makes the link between genes and race more palpable. And on mainstream blogs, in college classrooms and among the growing community of ancestry test-takers, it is prompting the question of whether more profound differences may also be attributed to DNA.

Nonscientists are already beginning to stitch together highly speculative conclusions about the historically charged subject of race and intelligence from the new biological data. Last month, a blogger in Manhattan described a recently published study that linked several snippets of DNA to high I.Q. An online genetic database used by medical researchers, he told readers, showed that two of the snippets were found more often in Europeans and Asians than in Africans.

No matter that the link between I.Q. and those particular bits of DNA was unconfirmed, or that other high I.Q. snippets are more common in Africans, or that hundreds or thousands of others may also affect intelligence, or that their combined influence might be dwarfed by environmental factors. Just the existence of such genetic differences between races, proclaimed the author of the Half Sigma blog, a 40-year-old software developer, means “the egalitarian theory,” that all races are equal, “is proven false.”

Though few of the bits of human genetic code that vary between individuals have yet to be tied to physical or behavioral traits, scientists have found that roughly 10 percent of them are more common in certain continental groups and can be used to distinguish people of different races. They say that studying the differences, which arose during the tens of thousands of years that human populations evolved on separate continents after their ancestors dispersed from humanity’s birthplace in East Africa, is crucial to mapping the genetic basis for disease.

But many geneticists, wary of fueling discrimination and worried that speaking openly about race could endanger support for their research, are loath to discuss the social implications of their findings. Still, some acknowledge that as their data and methods are extended to nonmedical traits, the field is at what one leading researcher recently called “a very delicate time, and a dangerous time.”

“There are clear differences between people of different continental ancestries,” said Marcus W. Feldman, a professor of biological sciences at Stanford University. “It’s not there yet for things like I.Q., but I can see it coming. And it has the potential to spark a new era of racism if we do not start explaining it better.”

Dr. Feldman said any finding on intelligence was likely to be exceedingly hard to pin down. But given that some may emerge, he said he wanted to create “ready response teams” of geneticists to put such socially fraught discoveries in perspective.

The authority that DNA has earned through its use in freeing falsely convicted inmates, preventing disease and reconstructing family ties leads people to wrongly elevate genetics over other explanations for differences between groups.

“I’ve spent the last 10 years of my life researching how much genetic variability there is between populations,” said Dr. David Altshuler, director of the Program in Medical and Population Genetics at the Broad Institute in Cambridge, Mass. “But living in America, it is so clear that the economic and social and educational differences have so much more influence than genes. People just somehow fixate on genetics, even if the influence is very small.”
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But on the Half Sigma blog and elsewhere, the conversation is already flashing forward to what might happen if genetically encoded racial differences in socially desirable — or undesirable — traits are identified.

“If I were to believe the ‘facts’ in this post, what should I do?” one reader responded on Half Sigma. “Should I advocate discrimination against blacks because they are less smart? Should I not hire them to my company because odds are I could find a smarter white person? Stop trying to prove that one group of people are genetically inferior to your group. Just stop.”

Renata McGriff, 52, a health care consultant who had been encouraging black clients to volunteer genetic information to scientists, said she and other African-Americans have lately been discussing “opting out of genetic research until it’s clear we’re not going to use science to validate prejudices.”

“I don’t want the children in my family to be born thinking they are less than someone else based on their DNA,” added Ms. McGriff, of Manhattan.

Such discussions are among thousands that followed the geneticist James D. Watson’s assertion last month that Africans are innately less intelligent than other races. Dr. Watson, a Nobel Prize winner, subsequently apologized and quit his post at the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory on Long Island.

But the incident has added to uneasiness about whether society is prepared to handle the consequences of science that may eventually reveal appreciable differences between races in the genes that influence socially important traits.

New genetic information, some liberal critics say, could become the latest rallying point for a conservative political camp that objects to social policies like affirmative action, as happened with “The Bell Curve,” the controversial 1994 book that examined the relationship between race and I.Q.

Yet even some self-described liberals argue that accepting that there may be genetic differences between races is important in preparing to address them politically.

“Let’s say the genetic data says we’ll have to spend two times as much for every black child to close the achievement gap,” said Jason Malloy, 28, an artist in Madison, Wis., who wrote a defense of Dr. Watson for the widely read science blog Gene Expression. Society, he said, would need to consider how individuals “can be given educational and occupational opportunities that work best for their unique talents and limitations.”

Others hope that the genetic data may overturn preconceived notions of racial superiority by, for example, showing that Africans are innately more intelligent than other groups. But either way, the increased outpouring of conversation on the normally taboo subject of race and genetics has prompted some to suggest that innate differences should be accepted but, at some level, ignored.

“Regardless of any such genetic variation, it is our moral duty to treat all as equal before God and before the law,” Perry Clark, 44, wrote on a New York Times blog. It is not necessary, argued Dr. Clark, a retired neonatologist in Leawood, Kan., who is white, to maintain the pretense that inborn racial differences do not exist.

“When was the last time a nonblack sprinter won the Olympic 100 meters?” he asked.

“To say that such differences aren’t real,” Dr. Clark later said in an interview, “is to stick your head in the sand and go blah blah blah blah blah until the band marches by.”

Race, many sociologists and anthropologists have argued for decades, is a social invention historically used to justify prejudice and persecution. But when Samuel M. Richards gave his students at Pennsylvania State University genetic ancestry tests to establish the imprecision of socially constructed racial categories, he found the exercise reinforced them instead.

One white-skinned student, told she was 9 percent West African, went to a Kwanzaa celebration, for instance, but would not dream of going to an Asian cultural event because her DNA did not match, Dr. Richards said. Preconceived notions of race seemed all the more authentic when quantified by DNA.

“Before, it was, ‘I’m white because I have white skin and grew up in white culture,’ ” Dr. Richards said. “Now it’s, ‘I really know I’m white, so white is this big neon sign hanging over my head.’ It’s like, oh, no, come on. That wasn’t the point.”

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Reply #54 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 6:48pm
 
No there are blueprint differences but that doesn't make them any less human.  Blacks do badly in school as you say because they live in a very rascist country and in poorer conditions.  This however is not altogether true.

Areas where there are jobs are expensive, obviously.  If you live in poverty than you cannot get a job or move into another area. 

What do you think theres a conspiracy that all blacks just want to fail.
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Tom wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 6:48pm:
No there are blueprint differences but that doesn't make them any less human.  Blacks do badly in school as you say because they live in a very rascist country and in poorer conditions.  This however is not altogether true.

Areas where there are jobs are expensive, obviously.  If you live in poverty than you cannot get a job or move into another area.  

What do you think theres a conspiracy that all blacks just want to fail.

That is bullshit. I went to school with blacks. And guess what I saw? The whites worked hard and got good results. But the blacks misbehaved and failed dramatically. After school, virtually all the whites got a job but the blacks ended up living off welfare. Now, racism had nothing to do with it.
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I grew up indoctrinated by political correctness. Like a large part of citizens in Western countries I was brainwashed: Races do not exist, all are equal. Saying anything different, saying that there are racial differences, is racism, a crime.
In school I heard disparaging remarks about Artur Jensen and other “unscientific” “dishonest” “cheating” scientists doing faulty research about race differences.

The Bell Curve by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray actually looked fairly convincing to me, but if even President Bill Clinton denounced it, there must be something wrong about it.

There always was some complex theory to explain away the IQ differences:

    * different culture
    * parental expectation
    * mother’s malnourishment
    * IQ measurements are racially and culturally biased
My opinion changed when I read about trans-racial adoption studies. That was the last drop that really disproved all these desperate attempts to explain away racial differences in intelligence.

“The best evidence for the genetic basis of race-IQ differences comes from trans-racial adoption studies of Oriental children, Black children, and Mixed-Race children. All these children have been adopted by White parents at an early age and have grown up in middle-class White homes.”

Chart 9 summarizes the results for Oriental children adopted into White middle-class homes.
Korean and Vietnamese babies from poor backgrounds, many of whom were malnourished, were adopted by White American and Belgian families. When they grew up, they excelled in school. The IQs of the adopted Oriental children were 10 or more points higher than the national average for the country they grew up in. Trans-racial adoption does not increase or decrease IQ. The three-way pattern of race differences in IQ remains.”
In plain English: adopted Asian babies grew up to be very bright, adopted black babies grew up to have low intelligence.

One more desperate argument that was posed to save the “racial equality” dogma:

They claimed “expectancy effects,” not genes, explained the pattern. They argued that the Black and White children were not treated the same. Even if parents took good care of their children, the schools, classmates, and society as a whole discriminated against Black children and this hurt their IQs. Because we expected Black children to do poorly in school, they lived up to our low expectations.”

Even that argument got promptly destroyed.  Rushton:

A special analysis of the Scarr study compared parents who believed that they had adopted a Black baby but, really, had adopted a Mixed-Race (Black-White) child. The average IQ for these Mixed-Race children was just about the same as for other Mixed-Race children and above that for adopted Black children. This was true even though the parents who adopted these Mixed-Race children thought their babies really had two Black parents.

Quotes and chart from RACE, EVOLUTION, and BEHAVIOR: A Life History Perspective, by J.P. Rushton

That did it for me. It destroyed my ingrained indoctrinated beliefs that all races must be equal. It opened up my mind to the possibility that there could be racial differences.
Before we go on, may I stress a few more points

    * I have no axe to grind against blacks. I am not interested in proving that blacks are stupid or inferior. I am not a white supremacist
    * I have an axe to grind against dogmatism, blindness, stupidity. I have an axe to grind against the catholic church for repressing Galileo’s truth about the moving and revolving earth. And I have an axe to grind about political correctness repressing the truth, repressing research.
    * This site is about human stupidity versus truth and consciousness
    * Rushton, though much maligned, is not some crazy cook but one of the most prestigious research scientists to date: Rushton holds two doctorates from the University of London (Ph.D. and D.Sc) and is a Fellow of the John Simon Guggenheim Foundation, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the American, British, and Canadian Psychological Associations. He is also a member of the Behavior Genetics Association, the Human Behavior and Evolution Society, and the Society for Neuroscience. Rushton has published six books and nearly 200 articles. In 1992 the Institute for Scientific Information ranked him the 22nd most published psychologist and the 11th most cited. Professor Rushton is listed in Who.  Some of Rushtons scientific publications can be found on his University page: http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushton_pubs.htm
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Then of course, the non-scientific “evidence”, the hearsay, the anecdotal evidence, our daily experience, suddenly made sense:

The Whites who explored China were just as racist as those who explored Africa, but their descriptions were different from what they and the Arabs had written about Africans. In 1275 Marco Polo arrived in China from his native Italy to open trade with the Mongol Empire. He found that the Chinese had well built roads, bridges, cities connected by canals, census takers, markets, standardized weights and measures, and not only coins, but paper money as well. Even a postal system was in existence. All of these made him marvel when he compared the Chinese to what he saw in Europe and the Middle East.
Even though he was an Italian, proud of his people and well aware of the greatness of Ancient Rome, Marco Polo wrote: “Surely there is no more intelligent race on earth than the Chinese.”

In amazing ways, Rushton forms a coherent picture to make sense of all the racial differences shown in reasearch.  Some differences are biological and can not be talked away by simple psychobabble or sociology-babble.

In a few cases medical treatment and medication showed racial differences. which proves a real quagmire for race equality dogmatist. Should they talk away and hide the differences as racist and cause medical malpractice and suffering for black patients? Or should they accept the scientific facts and actively promote racial analysis of medical studies and see their beloved pet dogma undermined?

Rushton’s book sums up the relevant research. Please forgive me for always quoting Rushton, incessantly. Nobody can say it better, nobody summed up the entire field in a more concise and coherent manner then Rushton.

Many statistics in Chart 1 come from the United States, where Orientals are a “model minority.”
They have fewer divorces, fewer out-of-wedlock births, and fewer reports of child abuse than Whites.
More Orientals graduate from college and fewer go to prison.
On the other hand Blacks are 12% of the American population and make up 50% of the prison population. In the U.S., one out of every three Black men is either in jail, on probation, or awaiting trial. That is much more than the number who graduate from college.
Chapter 2 shows how this racial pattern in crime is found worldwide. INTERPOL Yearbooks show the rate of violent crime (murder, rape, and serious assault) is four times lower in Asian and Pacific Rim countries than in African and Caribbean countries. Whites in the United States and in European countries are intermediate. The 1996 INTERPOL violent crime rates clearly show this pattern: Asian countries, 35 violent crimes per 100,000 people; European countries, 42; and African countries, 149.
Chapter 2 also finds that Oriental children are slower to mature than White children while Black children are faster to mature. This is true for the rate of bone and tooth development and the age at which a child first sits, crawls, walks, and puts on clothing. Oriental children do not begin to walk until about 13 months, White children at 12 months, and Black children at 11 months.
Chapter 3 looks at racial differences in sexual activity. Orientals are the least sexually active, whether measured by age of first intercourse, intercourse frequency, or number of sexual partners. Blacks are the most active on all of these. Once again Whites are in between. These contrasts in sexual activity lead to differences in the rate of diseases like syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, and chlamydia. There are high levels of AIDS in Africa, Black America, and the Caribbean and low levels in China and Japan. European countries again fall in between.
The races differ in rate of ovulation (Chapter 3). Not all women produce one egg during the menstrual cycle. When two or more eggs are produced at the same time, a pregnancy is more likely. So is the likelihood of producing fraternal twins (i.e., two-egg twins). The number of twins born is 16 out of every 1,000 births for Blacks, 8 out of every 1,000 births for Whites, and 4 or less for Orientals. Triplets and other multiple births are rarest in Orientals and highest in Blacks, with Whites in between.
Chapter 4 is about race and intelligence. Hundreds of studies on millions of people show a threeway pattern. IQ tests are often made to have an average score of 100, with a “normal” range from 85 to 115. Whites average from 100 to 103. Orientals in Asia and the U.S. tend to have higher scores, about 106, even though IQ tests were made for use in the Euro-American culture. Blacks in the U.S., the Caribbean, Britain, Canada, and in Africa average lower IQs — about 85. The lowest average IQs are found for sub-Saharan Africans — from 70 to 75.
Chapter 4 also looks at brain size. Bigger brains have more brain cells and this leads to higher IQs. The races vary in brain size. The Collaborative Perinatal Project followed more than 35,000 children from birth to seven years. Orientals had larger brains than Whites at birth, four months, one year, and seven years. Whites had larger brains than Blacks at all ages (see Chart 2). The data on adults in Chart 2 come from a sample of 6,325 U.S. Army personnel.
Chapter 5 asks whether differences in our brain size, our bodies and our behavior are because of genes, environment, or both. It also asks whether individual differences can tell us anything about race differences.

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Chapter 6 discusses the gene based “life-history theory” I have proposed to explain the racial pattern in brain size, intelligence, and other traits. Evolutionary biologists call it the r-K scale of reproductive strategies. At one end of this scale are r-strategies that rely on high reproductive rates. At the other end are K-strategies that rely on high levels of parental care. This scale is generally used to compare the life histories of different species of animals. I have used it to explain the smaller but real differences between the human races.

On this scale, Orientals are more K-selected than Whites, while Whites are more K-selected than Blacks. Highly K-selected women produce fewer eggs (and have bigger brains) than r-selected women. Highly K-selected men invest time and energy in their children rather than the pursuit of sexual thrills. They are “dads” rather than “cads.”

Chapter 7 shows that the race differences in reproductive strategies make sense in terms of human evolution. Modern humans evolved in Africa about 200,000 years ago. Africans and non-Africans then split about 100,000 years ago. Orientals and Whites split about 40,000 years ago.

The more north the people went “Out of Africa,” the harder it was to get food, gain shelter, make clothes, and raise children. So the groups that evolved into today’s Whites and Orientals needed larger brains, more family stability, and a longer life. But building a bigger brain takes time and energy during a person’s development. So, these changes were balanced by slower rates of growth, lower levels of sex hormones, less aggression, and less sexual activity.

Why? Because Africa, Europe, and Asia had very different climates and geographies that called for different skills, resource usage, and lifestyles. Blacks evolved in a tropical climate which contrasted with the cooler one of Europe in which Whites evolved and even more so with the cold Arctic lands where Orientals evolved.

Because intelligence increased the chances of survival in harsh winter environments, the groups that left Africa had to evolve greater intelligence and family stability. This called for larger brains, slower growth rates, lower hormone levels, less sexual potency, less aggression, and less impulsivity. Advanced planning, self-control, rule-following, and longevity all increased in the non-Africans.

I realize that these topics are controversial and that readers will have many questions. Chapter 8 lists the questions I am most asked about Race, Evolution, and Behavior, and my answers to them.

Conclusion

Race is more than “just skin deep.” The pattern of Oriental-White-Black differences is found across history, geographic boundaries, and political-economic systems. It proves the biological reality of race. Theories based only on culture cannot explain all the data shown in Chart 1. The next three chapters describe the scientific findings on race differences (summarized in Chart 1) in greater detail. Later chapters explain why these differences follow such a pattern.

Quotes and chart from RACE, EVOLUTION, and BEHAVIOR: A Life History Perspective, by J.P. Rushton

You can download the abridged version, in various languages, here: RACE, EVOLUTION, and BEHAVIOR: A Life History Perspective, by J.P. Rushton

If you really are interested, then, of course, you will read the unabridged version. Unfortunately, I could not find it at Amazon

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