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Reply #15 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 9:03pm
 
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 8:30pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 5:00pm:
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 4:21pm:
Basically it makes it illegal because you can't talk freely about it because you might offend some one.

Doesn't it specifically state that the act does not prohibit discussion about racial matters that is in the public interest (such as immigration, multiculturalism, refugees, asylum seekers et al..) ?

But it still restricts what you can say. A multiculturalists might claim that a comment made by a man is "racist" and thus not a the public interest. Thus, according to the madness of the ideology, the man will be prosecuted for "racist" comments that are not in the public "interest".

They would need to prove the "racist" comment contravenes the act. Complaining about a comment like "I think Australia is accepting too many Asian immigrants" would get nowhere because it is not in itself a contravention.

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Reply #16 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 10:29pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 9:03pm:
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 8:30pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 5:00pm:
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 4:21pm:
Basically it makes it illegal because you can't talk freely about it because you might offend some one.

Doesn't it specifically state that the act does not prohibit discussion about racial matters that is in the public interest (such as immigration, multiculturalism, refugees, asylum seekers et al..) ?

But it still restricts what you can say. A multiculturalists might claim that a comment made by a man is "racist" and thus not a the public interest. Thus, according to the madness of the ideology, the man will be prosecuted for "racist" comments that are not in the public "interest".

They would need to prove the "racist" comment contravenes the act. Complaining about a comment like "I think Australia is accepting too many Asian immigrants" would get nowhere because it is not in itself a contravention.


But there could be a possibility of the guy getting prosecuted. It would be up to the judge to decide on whether or not it is racist. And who exactly is in a position to determine if it is racist?
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Reply #17 - Dec 20th, 2009 at 11:40pm
 
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 20th, 2009 at 10:29pm:
But there could be a possibility of the guy getting prosecuted. It would be up to the judge to decide on whether or not it is racist. And who exactly is in a position to determine if it is racist?

Not just racist... The prosecution would have to prove that the sole reason for the offending comment was to incite racial / religious hatred (or was solely intended to cause and did cause serious offence) in the "most vile and serious of manners".

What kind of comment did you intend to make that makes you wonder whether you would be contravening the act?
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Reply #18 - Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:54am
 
While I agree with Aussie Skinhead about how few rights as Australian citizens we have.  Something like the American bill of rights goes far beyond what any other country has ever acheived.

How anti-rascistl laws could truly restrict us is something I don't understand.

Democracy in this world is dead.  But I think you're being hypocrytical.  You're a Nazi supporter?  Adolf Hitler shredded the German constitution and removed all rights from the German people.  All free speach was prohibited.  If you denied their insane science or their fascist warlike government they were taken to the Gestapo and murdered.  

Penny Wong is an imbecile, the only purpose she had at those meetings was to bully 3rd world countries into signing onto world government and enhance her prestige.  Our current government is one of the worst we have seen.  

People should realise that we are in very deep trouble if our government intends to restrict our carbon emmissions by 25% over the next few years without the consent of the Senate.  Our standard of living and economy will be ruined.
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Reply #19 - Dec 21st, 2009 at 11:11am
 
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How anti-rascistl laws could truly restrict us is something I don't understand.


The laws are designed to intimidate white racialists by making out that their views are some how illegal.
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What kind of comment did you intend to make that makes you wonder whether you would be contravening the act


I will give you a few examples of how the law has been used to stifle white racialists and ordinary people on the street. Up in north Queensland, a mob of blacks were annoying a middle aged white man. The white man got sick of the annoyance and simply told the blacks a few home truths. The blacks were horrified at the retaliation, which they provoked, and made a complaint to the police. The white man was fined $1,500. In South Australia, a holocaust revisionist, Frederick Toben, was sentenced to three months jail for holocaust revisionism. In West Australia, a anti Zionist campaigner was arrested for his anti Zionist activities.
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Reply #20 - Dec 21st, 2009 at 12:04pm
 
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 21st, 2009 at 11:11am:
I will give you a few examples of how the law has been used to stifle white racialists and ordinary people on the street. Up in north Queensland, a mob of blacks were annoying a middle aged white man. The white man got sick of the annoyance and simply told the blacks a few home truths. The blacks were horrified at the retaliation, which they provoked, and made a complaint to the police. The white man was fined $1,500. In South Australia, a holocaust revisionist, Frederick Toben, was sentenced to three months jail for holocaust revisionism. In West Australia, a anti Zionist campaigner was arrested for his anti Zionist activities.

Are you planning on vilifying aboriginal people? Or are you planning on becoming an anti-Zionist campaigner? Are there ways you can protest over Israeli actions against Palestinians without resorting to videoing yourself on an anti-Semitic hate rant?
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Reply #21 - Dec 21st, 2009 at 1:32pm
 
I am anti Zionist. I have always criticized the illegal Jewish group known as the "state of Israel". As for the blacks, I give them filthy looks down down. Other then that, I don't have much to do or say about the blacks.
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Reply #22 - Dec 22nd, 2009 at 12:02am
 
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 21st, 2009 at 1:32pm:
I am anti Zionist. I have always criticized the illegal Jewish group known as the "state of Israel". As for the blacks, I give them filthy looks down down. Other then that, I don't have much to do or say about the blacks.

Then you have nothing to fear from the existence of anti-discrimination legislation and minorities you have a problem with have legal recourse against racial vilification in the same way anti-defamation legislation grants you legal recourse should someone choose to defame you.
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Reply #23 - Dec 22nd, 2009 at 2:28pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 22nd, 2009 at 12:02am:
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 21st, 2009 at 1:32pm:
I am anti Zionist. I have always criticized the illegal Jewish group known as the "state of Israel". As for the blacks, I give them filthy looks down down. Other then that, I don't have much to do or say about the blacks.

Then you have nothing to fear from the existence of anti-discrimination legislation and minorities you have a problem with have legal recourse against racial vilification in the same way anti-defamation legislation grants you legal recourse should someone choose to defame you.


The laws might not apply in my case but what about all the other guys who have been prosecuted because of their racial and/or religious views? There is a fine line set by the laws between criticizing and vilifying races and religions. The laws are dangerous and should be abolished.
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Reply #24 - Dec 22nd, 2009 at 2:51pm
 
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 22nd, 2009 at 2:28pm:
The laws might not apply in my case but what about all the other guys who have been prosecuted because of their racial and/or religious views? There is a fine line set by the laws between criticizing and vilifying races and religions. The laws are dangerous and should be abolished.

The laws are protective and, given the very few successful prosecutions, are applied with restraint.

Those whose sole intent is to vilify others are violating the reasonable limits of free speech in similar fashion to those who intentionally defame someone in order to publicly vilify them.
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Reply #25 - Dec 22nd, 2009 at 7:30pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 22nd, 2009 at 2:51pm:
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 22nd, 2009 at 2:28pm:
The laws might not apply in my case but what about all the other guys who have been prosecuted because of their racial and/or religious views? There is a fine line set by the laws between criticizing and vilifying races and religions. The laws are dangerous and should be abolished.

The laws are protective and, given the very few successful prosecutions, are applied with restraint.

Those whose sole intent is to vilify others are violating the reasonable limits of free speech in similar fashion to those who intentionally defame someone in order to publicly vilify them.

But who should define what is defamation and slander? Isn't it dangerous to try and limit free speech based on some idle speculation on what is "racial vilification"?
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Reply #26 - Dec 23rd, 2009 at 2:00am
 
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 22nd, 2009 at 7:30pm:
But who should define what is defamation and slander? Isn't it dangerous to try and limit free speech based on some idle speculation on what is "racial vilification"?

That's what judges are for... To determine the difference between reasonable free speech and unbridled free rein.

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Reply #27 - Dec 23rd, 2009 at 10:02pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 23rd, 2009 at 2:00am:
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 22nd, 2009 at 7:30pm:
But who should define what is defamation and slander? Isn't it dangerous to try and limit free speech based on some idle speculation on what is "racial vilification"?

That's what judges are for... To determine the difference between reasonable free speech and unbridled free rein.


But why should we limit free speech? We haven't needed such laws for most of mankind's history. It was the multiculturalists who turned this into an issue. They should be ignored and the non whites should be kicked out. That way, we won't need the laws and the debate regarding them.
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Reply #28 - Dec 23rd, 2009 at 10:18pm
 
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Dec 23rd, 2009 at 10:02pm:
But why should we limit free speech? We haven't needed such laws for most of mankind's history.

Are you serious? Grin

Can you actually imagine a monarch or a Pope or any other politico-religious primate tolerating free speech prior to the modern era?

Even today the crime of insulting the monarch carries a prison sentence in some countries... Thailand for instance.
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Reply #29 - Dec 23rd, 2009 at 10:55pm
 
Whenever you attempt to stereotype any racial groups as all having a single propensity, then you are always going to lose the argument, before you even start, but if you point out common patterns of anti-social behaviour, and do it in a non-threatening, and not deliberately offensive manner, then I cannot see that you would ever have any problem with any laws in australia Aussie Skinhead.

You seem to be able to express your views in a reasonably polite way here, and still get your point of view heard.

If you wish for more than that, if you wish to provoke confrontation, then perhaps the laws may seek to make that option less appealing, and I do not have any problem with that.

When groups seek to manipulate the laws of the land to stifle fair and reasonable discussion of behaviours displayed by representative members of didtinct racial groups, then we must rely on the common sense of the judiciary, and the weight of public opinion to make sure that the right to make reasonable criticism is not denied us, and I think most would agree that we want to keep that option.
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