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EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? (Read 46807 times)
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Reply #60 - Jan 11th, 2010 at 11:33am
 
Soren wrote on Jan 9th, 2010 at 8:31pm:
nanatehay wrote on Jan 9th, 2010 at 7:05pm:
Hi Soren. I wasn't trying to present evidence,



I know. There isn't any.



- said with fingers firmly implanted in ears.

- There isn't any, and I don't want to hear any scary stories that there is.
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Reply #61 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 12:54pm
 


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1. The pin-up species of global warming, the polar bear, is increasing in number, not decreasing.

2. The US President, Barack Obama, supports building nuclear power plants.

Last week, in his State of the Union address, he said: ''To create more of these clean energy jobs, we need more production, more efficiency, more incentives. And that means building a new generation of safe, clean nuclear power plants in this country.''

3. The Copenhagen climate conference descended into farce.

The low point of the gridlock and posturing at Copenhagen came with the appearance by the socialist dictator of Venezuela, President Hugo Chavez, whose anti-capitalist diatribe drew a cheering ovation from thousands of left-wing ideologues.

4. The reputation of the chief United Nations scientist on global warming is in disrepair.

Dr Rajendra Pachauri, the chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), is being investigated for financial irregularities, conflicts of interest and scientific distortion. He has already admitted publishing false data.

5. The supposed scientific consensus of the IPCC has been challenged by numerous distinguished scientists.

6. The politicisation of science leads to a heavy price being paid in poor countries.

After Western environmentalists succeeded in banning or suppressing the use of the pesticide DDT, the rate of death by malaria rose into the millions. Some scholars estimate the death toll at 20 million or more, most of them children.

7. The biofuels industry has exacerbated world hunger.

Diverting huge amounts of grain crops (as distinct from sugar cane) to biofuels has contributed to a rise in world food prices, felt acutely in the poorest nations.

8. The Kyoto Protocol has proved meaningless.

Global carbon emissions are significantly higher today than they were when the Kyoto Protocol was introduced.

9. The United Nations global carbon emissions reduction target is a massively costly mirage.

10. Kevin Rudd's political bluff on emissions trading has been exposed.



http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/facts-conveniently-brushed-over-by-the-gl...
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Reply #62 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 1:44pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 1st, 2010 at 12:54pm:
Dr Rajendra Pachauri, the chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), is being investigated for financial irregularities, conflicts of interest and scientific distortion. He has already admitted publishing false data.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/facts-conveniently-brushed-over-by-the-gl...



Warm Front   [Mark Steyn]

Rajendra Pachauri, the cricket-loving climate-profiteering Nobel Peace Prize-winner with a carbon footprint almost as big as Al Gore's, heads up the IPCC, the global climate-change racket whose "settled science" is getting less settled by the minute. It seems an odd moment for Dr Pachauri to branch out into bodice-heaving fiction:

In breathless prose that risks making Dr Pachauri, who will be 70 this year, a laughing stock among the serious, high-minded scientists and world leaders with whom he mixes, he details sexual encounter after sexual encounter.

The book, which makes reference to the Kama Sutra, starts promisingly enough as it tells the story of a climate expert with a lament for the denuded mountain slopes of Nainital, in northern India, where deforestation by the timber mafia and politicians has "endangered the fragile ecosystem".

But talk of "denuding" is a clue of what is to come..

"Sanjay saw a shapely dark-skinned girl lying on Vinay’s bed. He was overcome by a lust that he had never known before ... He removed his clothes and began to feel Sajni’s body, caressing her voluptuous breasts."

But don't worry. Every sex scene in the book is peer-reviewed. Alas, like the IPCC report, not all of them live up to advance billing:

Sadly for Sanjay, writes Dr Pachauri, "the excitement got the better of him, before he could even get started".

Oh, dear. There are times when even a climate expert can't "hide the decline".
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Reply #63 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 1:52pm
 
So much for the propaganda, now for the facts:

1. Scientists predict that, if current warming trends continue in the Arctic, two-thirds of the world's polar bears could disappear by 2050. At the most recent meeting of the IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group (held in Copenhagen in 2009), the world's leading polar bear scientists reported that of the 19 subpopulations of polar bears, eight were declining, three were stable, one was increasing, and seven had insufficient data to make a determination. At their 2005 meeting in Seattle, the group reclassified the polar bear as vulnerable on the IUCN World Conservation Union's "Red List of Threatened Species," noting that the species could become extinct due to sea ice changes. Individual countries with polar bears have reclassified the species as well. Citing to concerns about shrinking sea ice habitat, the U.S. Department of the Interior announced on May 14, 2008, that it is listing the polar bear as a Threatened Species under the Endangered Species Act. Russia lists the polar bear as "a species of concern." The major threat to the polar bear is shrinking sea ice habitat due to climate change. Other threats include pollution, poaching, and industrial disturbances. Hunting could become a threat if populations are not well managed.

2. "The US President, Barack Obama, supports building nuclear power plants."

Personally, I agree with him. They have a very low carbon footprint.

3. The Copenhagen climate conference descended into farce.

- I think that's evidence of the fact that it was hijacked by poor nations wanting handouts. Since then there have been at least some agreement among the nations that produce around 80% of the greenhouse gas emissions reducing emissions by 20% by 2020, with potential for more reduction.

4.  If Bill Clinton's reputation was flawed, did that mean that the United States was a scam?

5. Close. Delete "distinguished scientists" and substitute "politically or otherwise motivated cranks".

6. What on earth has DDT got to do with Global Warming?

7. That may be true, but doesn't invalidate the fact that Anthropogenic Climate Disruption is an imminent threat to our economy and civilisation. On the other hand, the biggest potential threat to food crops is - you guessed it - Global Climate disruption (I use this term, because warming is not the only effect)

8. Correct. If the US and China were not part of Kyoto, why would you expect anything else?

9. It was actually designed to minimise costs. The effects of Climate disruption will be considerably more expensive than the costs of mitigating it - otherwise, why would you bother?

10. Kevin Rudd has never been fair dinkum on this issue. He just uses it as a means of gaining popularity. Like everything else the ALP has done on climate change, his CPRS was incredibly stupid. The subsidies to large industries were almost as stupid. The most intelligent thing that Kevin Rudd has done so far has been to give a speech in Chinese, and even then, he managed to piss off our major trading partner by talking about domestic issues.
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Reply #64 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 1:56pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 1st, 2010 at 1:44pm:
But talk of "denuding" is a clue of what is to come..

"Sanjay saw a shapely dark-skinned girl lying on Vinay’s bed. He was overcome by a lust that he had never known before ... He removed his clothes and began to feel Sajni’s body, caressing her voluptuous breasts."



I like this guy. He's a bit like Bill Clinton. Grin Grin


Ouch - that's a bit below the belt.   Rajendra Pachauri is a sleaze, therefore AGW is crap.

Like I said before, it's like saying that Bill Clinton is a lech, therefore the United States is a crock.

I'm totally dazzled by the 'BS baffles brain' approach.
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Reply #65 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 2:03pm
 
muso wrote on Feb 1st, 2010 at 1:56pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 1st, 2010 at 1:44pm:
But talk of "denuding" is a clue of what is to come..

"Sanjay saw a shapely dark-skinned girl lying on Vinay’s bed. He was overcome by a lust that he had never known before ... He removed his clothes and began to feel Sajni’s body, caressing her voluptuous breasts."



He's a bit like Bill Clinton. Grin Grin




Buzzzz. Correct. Give him a cigar...



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Reply #66 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 2:12pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 1st, 2010 at 2:03pm:
Buzzzz. Correct. Give him a cigar...




So let me get this right - What you're saying is that anybody who has sex and talks about it, is essentially incapable of rational thought?
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Reply #67 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 3:40pm
 
No. I am saying that Pachauri is a fraud like Clinton. ANd both happen to be lascivious.
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Reply #68 - Feb 4th, 2010 at 8:34am
 
The worst I'd say about Pachauri is that he's unconventional. He reminds me of the brand of environmentalist who goes around on speaking tours toting a guitar.

The guitar is usually a dead give-away that there will be less content and more entertainment, but once there you know that you're stuck there until the first coffee break, and after the first coffee break, the room seems strangely empty - and devoid of environmental professionals.   

I don't know if Pachauri is the best person to chair the IPCC.
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Reply #69 - Feb 5th, 2010 at 11:33am
 

So used are greens to sycophancy in the television studios that when they occasionally encounter even slightly hard questions they are outraged. Peter Sissons of the BBC: ‘I pointed out to [Caroline Lucas of the Green party] that the climate didn’t seem to be playing ball at the moment. We were having a particularly cold winter, even though carbon emissions were increasing. Indeed, there had been no warming for ten years, contradicting all the alarming computer predictions... Miss Lucas told me angrily that it was disgraceful that the BBC — the BBC! — should be giving any kind of publicity to those sort of views.’

Of course, reporters have been going native for decades. The difference is that they cannot now get away with it. When acid rain was all the rage in the 1980s, I was a science editor and I relayed all sorts of cataclysmic predictions from scientists and greens about its effect on forests. (Stern magazine said in 1984 that a third of Germany’s forests were already dead or dying and that experts believed all — all! — its conifers would be gone by 1990.) Today, we know that these predictions were wildly wrong and that far from dying out, forests in Germany, Sweden and North America actually thrived during that decade. I should have been more sceptical.

Yet, this time round, despite 20 years of being told they were not just factually but morally wrong, of being compared to Holocaust deniers, of being told they deserved to be tried for crimes against humanity, of being avoided at parties, climate sceptics seem to be growing in number and confidence by the day. What is the difference?



Find out at http://www.spectator.co.uk/spectator/thisweek/5749853/the-global-warming-guerril...
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Reply #70 - Feb 5th, 2010 at 6:27pm
 
Do you want to know why acid rain became a non-issue? Most of it was due to enormous regulatory measures aimed at emission controls from coal fired power stations. ESP's and scrubbing systems became the norm.  They reduced the pollution dramatically. Acid Rain was a major issue - it wiped out virtually all life in a number of lakes in Canada and Northern Europe. The lakes generally looked very pretty. The water was blue and transparent. It was just devoid of life.

Don't you find it slightly odd quoting the issue of one cold winter in the UK as evidence of changing weather climate (same thing innit ? - er nope)
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Reply #71 - Feb 6th, 2010 at 5:17pm
 
muso wrote on Feb 5th, 2010 at 6:27pm:
Don't you find it slightly odd quoting the issue of one cold winter in the UK as evidence of changing weather climate (same thing innit ? - er nope)



That, of course, is not the point of the anecdote. The point is that the arrogant or condescending warmerism is not getting the free run it used to.

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Reply #72 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 8:58am
 
So the next time you're on holiday near the sea and there's an impending  Tsunami, we won't make lots of noise to wake you up. That would just be bloody arrogant, and probably condescending too. After all, you understand that these are just natural events, they have happened before, and lots of foreign people got killed. Besides, how could we possibly understand the science behind it? Earthquakes are a complex natural system and we really need to do more study before taking such drastic action as waking you up, and besides,  everybody knows that we can't predict the future anyway.  

We'll just send you a nice, polite, politically correct email, because we know how much you love political correctness.  Wink


Your natural retort will be that we don't cause earthquakes. So does that make the science of prediction any more acceptable for you? Is scientific prediction reserved for naturally occurring events only where homosapiens is not complicit?
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Reply #73 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 10:54am
 


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[UP to 20 million farm animals may die in Mongolia before spring as the fiercest winter in living memory grips the country, International Aid Agencies warned today.

Sky News reported that local experts have told the Red Cross half the entire country's livestock could be wiped out.

A Sky News team that traveled through remote regions in Central Mongolia found cattle, goats and sheep frozen to death across the plains, with some herds almost completely wiped out.

Outside her traditional home in Central Mongolia, grandmother Hotont Suon wept as she looked at the carcasses of her herd lying on their backs.

Their legs to the air, they had been frozen to death. In the pens, sheep must huddle together to escape the bitter cold.

"Our hay is all gone now. As our goats die we sell the hides and buy more fodder, but it only lasts a few days," Suon said.

It's called the 'Dzud' - a multiple disaster with a summer drought followed by one of the coldest winters on record.

It has left millions of livestock dying from a combination of exhaustion and starvation - some herders report that their cattle perish at the rate of 50 a night.




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Reply #74 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 11:13am
 
lol, back to the shallow end sprint.

Maybe start collecting data in mongolia, and get back to us in thirty years or so, with a "climate" report, we can get "weather" reports on google.
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