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Reply #330 - Apr 19^th, 2010 at 3:47pm

muso wrote on Apr 19^th, 2010 at 11:11am:

Don't tar all religious with the same brush. Buddhists for example, tend to frame the cold uncaring universe rather as empty and peaceful. For example, one of my favourite verses from the prologue to the Diamond Sutra.

Everything changes, everything passes,
Things appearing, things disappearing.
But when all is over - everything having appeared and disappeared,
Being and extinction both transcended.
Still the basic emptiness and silence abides,
And that is blissful peace

"Heaven... Heaven is a place... A place where nothing... Nothing ever happens".

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Reply #331 - Apr 20^th, 2010 at 12:24pm

muso wrote on Apr 16^th, 2010 at 3:55pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 16^th, 2010 at 10:44am:

Your problem is that you wildly overstate its significance and say that it is the primary cause of whatever change is happening. This overstatement is called Antropogenic Global Warming=human CO2 causes global warming.

- or CO2 plus CH4 plus N2O.........etc - generated from human activities.

What's your reference for your claim that the effect of CO2 is "wildly overstated" ?

The IPCC Technical reports state that the Radiative Forcing for CO2 is given by the equation:

ΔF = 5.35 ln(C/C0) - in Watts per square metre.

If you think that's overstated, what do you think the equation should be?

- and what's your justification for the change?

And yet, scientists now discover that half the heat, so neatly nailed until now by a cute little formule, is - missing!! OMG!!!

Kevin Trenberth and John Fasullo, climate scientists at the National Centre for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, say that only about half of the heat believed to have built up in the Earth in recent years can be accounted for. New instruments are needed to locate and monitor this missing heat, they say, which could be storing up trouble for the future.

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Reply #332 - Apr 21^st, 2010 at 10:02am

That doesn't mean that the extra heat wasn't absorbed. Grin

Semantics. Very amusing how a conclusion can be twisted to suit a particular agenda. Which website did you get that from?

Do you honestly think that Kevin Trenberth and John Fasullo think that the extra heat was not absorbed? It could be in the depths of the ocean. Time will tell.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? Reply #333 - Apr 21^st, 2010 at 10:45am From the Guardian. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/apr/15/ocean-missing-heat-global-warming The point is - what else is mismeasured to this extent? If we don't know half of this, what else don't we know half of?
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? Reply #334 - Apr 21^st, 2010 at 11:19am Soren wrote on Apr 21^st, 2010 at 10:45am: From the Guardian. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/apr/15/ocean-missing-heat-global-warming The point is - what else is mismeasured to this extent? If we don't know half of this, what else don't we know half of? Dark Matter Isn't it a scandal?
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? Reply #335 - Apr 22^nd, 2010 at 1:04pm Quote: For all intents and purposes it has been proven. It is about as conclusive as the prediction of the tides tomorrow. That's also part of a complex system, yet it is possible to predict the tides. What a load of bullshit that is... what a Gore clone... "the science is settlled"
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Reply #336 - Apr 28^th, 2010 at 4:22pm

Soren wrote on Apr 21^st, 2010 at 10:45am:

From the Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/apr/15/ocean-missing-heat-global-warming

The point is - what else is mismeasured to this extent? If we don't know half of this, what else don't we know half of?

Soren, We have to understand in all of this that different forms of energy can interchange. For example, thermal energy can be converted to Kinetic energy or potential energy. It's not something so neat as your domestic electricity meter that show how much electricity you have consumed.

The way you're going on, it sounds like you're bitching to the electricity supplier about being charged for electricity you haven't used. Where is the missing electricity? You can't find it???? What a scandal. What an outrage!

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Reply #337 - Apr 29^th, 2010 at 10:17pm

Not quite.

I am bitching because out of one cornr of their mouths boosters say it's all sorted and settled, just go along with what e say you should think and do.

Out of the other corner they discover - or someone else discovers it for them, more like it - that it is all based on shoddy data, shonky models, half cocked assumptions, outrageous exeggartions and all the rest. The fall back position with each new climate-gate is - 'well, do you doubt that CO2 is a GHG?'
Er.. no.

But that does not mean that all the shoddy data, shonky, half-cocked, overblown crap has gone away.
Boosters are found out daily to have acted unscientifically, unethically, in bad faith like a bunch of bolshies or brown shirts who will stop at nothing to ensure the victory of the proletariat/volk/AGW in the end.

The 'Greatest moral challenge' turns out to be the shiboleth identifying only the manipulative, the shallow, the dishonest. AGW is a politically expendable slogan. Petty Officer Rudd believes in it less than Turnbull did who had the grace and principled stance to resign over it.

What a disgrace on all who have been caught up in this shamful nonsense.

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Reply #338 - Apr 30^th, 2010 at 9:05am

Like it or not, the science behind the IPCC technical reports is robust.

The recent 'revelations' from the CRU hack and attacks on Phil Jones' credibility have held up against a House of Commons Comittee. There are some additional investigations to follow, but so far, the guy has been vindicated.

The fact that scientists are now tracking down where the extra trapped energy has gone to, shows that they are continuing to investigate this issue.

It's difficult enough to conduct an energy balance for the Earth, let alone account for something that is a relatively small but incremental and significant addition to the Energy Inputs.

The energy could perhaps have been dissipated as tropical storms, or perhaps absorbed into the deeper oceans as a result of downwelling events. It may be difficult to find.

It is not necessary to complete the energy balance in order to confirm the process of anthropogenic global warming. We're way past that stage.

This is just digging down to examine the details.

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Paella Senior Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 290	Re: EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? Reply #339 - Apr 30^th, 2010 at 9:26am It's interesting, and frustrating, that the major scientific debate is generally between the two cases of "it's really bad" and "it's really really bad", yet the main attention here, as well as in the broader community, is between the science and the denial thereof.
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Reply #340 - Jun 22^nd, 2010 at 10:09am

mozzaok wrote on Apr 15^th, 2010 at 1:50pm:

Well, let's get back on subject, the Oxburgh Report that looked into the allegations arising from the hacked emails, or "climategate, as the denialists dubbed it.

Here is a pertinent quote from their report;
“We saw no evidence of any deliberate scientific malpractice in any of the work of the Climatic Research Unit and had it been there we believe that it is likely that we would have detected it,” says the Oxburgh report. “Rather we found a small group of dedicated if slightly disorganised researchers who were ill-prepared for being the focus of public attention.”

This report reviewed 11 publications considered to be representative of the CRU’s output (including two papers published in Nature). These cover direct temperature observations and the tree ring work that has caused many climate change sceptics to get so hot under the collar.

The tree-ring work was considered by the panel to have been “carried out with integrity” and the methods used in the direct temperature work were “fair and satisfactory”. However, the lack of proper statistical input into CRU’s research did displease Oxburgh’s panel.

So there was no manipulation of data to deceive people, or to change the scientific value of their work, but has a single denialist acknowledged that fact?
Of course not, they keep repeating their lies, because they "Believe" them, once more they show a total and arrogant disregard for the actual evidence.

Or as put by Bob Ward;
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Bob Ward, policy and communications director at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change, said in a statement, “The panel has carried out a thorough investigation of the evidence, and anybody who simply rejects these findings will show that they are motivated by prejudice and ideology rather than by scepticism and a desire to uncover the truth. I think those so-called sceptics and commentators in the media who have attempted to undermine the credibility of climate change science on the basis of the hacked e-mails now need to apologise for misleading the public about their significance.”

Here is the link to the blog page I copied this from, where you can also download a pdf of the Oxburgh Report, if you wish.
http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/

And the good Lord has collected a Rubber Duckie for his efforts, as part of Junk SCience Week:

It’s the 12th annual Junk Science Week, and the Financial Post has awarded its coveted Rubber Duckies for the latest in the abuse and misuse of science ... cellphones reduce brain tumor risk ... better boil that T-bone ... cooked-up climate science ... plastic causes cancer ... fishy fish farm science ... miracle job benefits of solar cells ... BPA panic ... bogus Afghan mineral bonanza ... global warming politics.

"The Rubber Duck award in the climate category goes to Lord Oxburgh, who gave “peer review” a whole new meaning in rushing out the first whitewash of the Climategate scandal. He headed an inquiry into the scientific integrity of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, from which the emails emerged, and concluded in record time that there was nothing to see here. Move along please.

Lord Oxburgh’s skimpy survey — which was carried out by a group distinctly free of skeptics — found in the CRU little more than a “small group of dedicated if slightly disorganized researchers.” His Lordship found the CRU’s “loss” of data infinitely excusable, as also was its lack of statistical sophistication, even though its field was “fundamentally statistical.”

Shurely shome mishtake...

http://opinion.financialpost.com/tag/junk-science-week/

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Reply #341 - Jun 22^nd, 2010 at 6:24pm

Carried out by a group distinctly free of skeptics ?! Oh my god!

Don't tell me they used a group that was representative of the scientific community as a whole! What folly!

I do hope that left-handed albinos from Southern Nicaragua named Colin were amply represented. After all, there's about three times as many as there are respectably published climate change deniers.

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Reply #342 - Jul 8^th, 2010 at 2:39pm

Heat wave ignites climate change debate, 2010 warmest year ever

Heat wave goes global
The heat wave is news because it's cooking places like New York and Washington where the national media hang out. But other parts of the world are also roasting. The Christian Science Monitor reports that the heat wave has gone global. Beijing hit a near-record 105 degrees Fahrenheit. In Baghdad and Riyadh, on July 6 it was 113 and 111 degrees. Kuwait set the day's world temperature high at 122 degrees. According to the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association (NOAA), the combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the first five months of the year was the warmest on record, and 1.22 degrees warmer than the 20th century average.
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[url]http://sp@m/moneyblog/2010/07/07 /heat-wave-climate-change/[/url]
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Well, not quite Global, it was cold in Perth before I went to Sydney last week and its still cole, now that I'm back in Perth.

But that is just local weather, not Global Climate!

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Reply #343 - Jul 10^th, 2010 at 1:34am

Well I kinda remember the Green Military in service of various World Political Powers (Soviet - USA)
were willing to send this planet into global suicide (ironically) via
all-out Thermo-Nuclear Warfare.
No I don't know if any of you 'young-uns' can remember, let alone you who are older and should remember?
But the idea of such a Nuclear threat to the world was a very, very, very, VERY real possibility ! Shocked

So this is why I believe the Greenies, who are showing good 'fight' against adversity - like all the information against pumped out by so-called scientists working for the Pollution payroll.
The idea of Poisening this planet to Death, along with far more people and far less trees, pushing the Carbon-Dioxide output higher than the Oxygen input - resulting in a very hot crowded room with only one indoor plant. Roll Eyes

Environmental Destruction of this planet CAN happen, it is a very, very, very, VERY, real possibility.

Polluting the air like sucking in bongs, fags, cigars and drinking excessive forms of alcohol is like poisening your own atmosphere and waterways.
Eventually, this planet's head is headed straight into the shitter!

Note: Suddenly how important 'Environmentalism' has become for the USA, now that a disaster has happened upon their doorstep via BPetroleum, considering how long they have shitted upon other nations
with just as much degree.

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Reply #344 - Jul 10^th, 2010 at 8:34am

Paella wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2010 at 6:24pm:

Carried out by a group distinctly free of skeptics ?! Oh my god!

Don't tell me they used a group that was representative of the scientific community as a whole! What folly!

No, they used a group that was representative of one segment of the scientific community......ONLY.

Why didn't they include any of the many equally qualified scientists that don't accept AGW???

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