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Reply #315 - Apr 18^th, 2010 at 8:16am

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Given that the mean water vapoour concentration of the atmosphere is automatically driven by temperature, if we focus on reducing the cause of the temperature rise, then we are working towards reducing water vapour concentration too.

Make sense?

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It absolutely makes sense, so much so that the reasoning was self evident to even my non-scientific mind.

Which does cause me to speculate just what is going on in denialist's minds that such obvious common sense is not also apparent to them?

I am not saying this as a derogatory comment, it is a real inguiry, because like "colour" blindness, different people have different ways of seeing things, and if we can work out what is blocking the denialist minds from such obvious reasoning as is displayed in muso's statement, and perhaps find a way to convey ideas to them that are currently beyond their ability to see, then we can discuss things from a point of better understanding.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? Reply #316 - Apr 18^th, 2010 at 8:43am So in your mind man-made CO2 is the only cause of warming? ROTFLMAO.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? Reply #317 - Apr 18^th, 2010 at 8:46am I agree that it's interesting to see what makes people see things so differently. At least Soren is reading my posts, and not just replying with the usual Chicken Little and "The sky is falling" nonsense. I honestly think that he has a chance of understanding the issue.
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Reply #318 - Apr 18^th, 2010 at 9:38am

No comment on topic on yet another point... sigh

and you just continue with; insults, abuse, name-calling, cherry-picking, ignoring points, lies, inanities, dissembling,etc, etc, etc...

You know very well that the alarmist camp is full of Chicken Littles and these are the sort of people they are nurturing.

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Reply #319 - Apr 18^th, 2010 at 9:48am

muso wrote on Apr 18^th, 2010 at 8:46am:

At least Soren is reading my posts, and not just replying with the usual Chicken Little and "The sky is falling" nonsense.

Wrong analogy. "The Grasshopper and the ants" is a better one.

muso wrote on Apr 18^th, 2010 at 8:46am:

I honestly think that he has a chance of understanding the issue.

Offer him absolution. Grin

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? Reply #320 - Apr 18^th, 2010 at 10:00am No "Chicken Little " suits alarmists fine... with Al Gore in the lead role. The "Emperor's New Clothes" also comes to mind.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? Reply #321 - Apr 18^th, 2010 at 10:07am Grendel wrote on Apr 18^th, 2010 at 10:00am: No "Chicken Little " suits alarmists fine... with Al Gore in the lead role. The "Emperor's New Clothes" also comes to mind. And the "Grasshopper" suits denialists.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? Reply #322 - Apr 18^th, 2010 at 10:27am Only if you believe Chicken Little is right. (And even then that isn't a real comparison, even the term "denialist" is wrong, even though there would be a few.)
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Reply #323 - Apr 18^th, 2010 at 12:11pm

muso wrote on Apr 18^th, 2010 at 7:51am:

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If you think you can control the climate, why not focus on that much more significant GHG, water wapor?

Given that the mean water vapoour concentration of the atmosphere is automatically driven by temperature, if we focus on reducing the cause of the temperature rise, then we are working towards reducing water vapour concentration too.

Make sense?

Yes and as expected, it brings us back to the nub of the argument - is a change from a quarter to half percent CO2 in the atmosphere responsible for climate change? How much of the climate change? What are the mechanisms that counter warming/cooling changes, whether in relation tio CO2 or any other climate factor?
Or are you saying that CO2 is the key to this planet's climate and everything revolves around it?

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Reply #324 - Apr 18^th, 2010 at 12:29pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 17^th, 2010 at 11:47pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 17^th, 2010 at 5:25pm:

Because we cannot contol it. We can only control some of that tiny little thing, CO2. So we declare it to be THE reason for every and all change because this way we can beat our chests, sell induldences and repent. We don't care if it is true or not, or as you say whether we undesrtand it obnectively or not. And that makes us feel goood, this opportunity to repent. Atheists also yearn for that sweet, aching feeling that comes with repentance - the hope of becoming good from tomorrow, after we publicly acknoledged our sins.

turning good.

So it's all about closet theism? Roll Eyes

Just what have you been up to that has made you yearn for that 'sweet aching feeling' of repentance? Wink

Ah, but you misunderstand me... I am not the atheist, alone in a cold and uncaring universe, who is feeling an emotional hole where guilt and sweet, liberating repentance 'dwell in the bosom of the religious' (like?). It is the scientific doom sayers and prophets of apolcalypse. The obsession with carbon footprints, (with it sado-masochistic foot fetish undertones) and the selling of indulgences in the form of carbon credit point to some deep archetypall forces in 'the bosom of the guilty atheists', self-flaggelating but only so they can then turn the whip hand on the rest of us.
There are, to my mind, obvious psycho-religious and sexual undertones to the whole doom-mongering. The crazy fury of being rejected, the venom that wells up from being unconvincing (unloved) and so on, they show to me that many of the warmerists also struggle with unresolved issues around nanny or mum or both.

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Reply #325 - Apr 18^th, 2010 at 3:29pm

Soren wrote on Apr 18^th, 2010 at 12:29pm:

Ah, but you misunderstand me... I am not the atheist, alone in a cold and uncaring universe, who is feeling an emotional hole where guilt and sweet, liberating repentance 'dwell in the bosom of the religious' (like?). It is the scientific doom sayers and prophets of apolcalypse. The obsession with carbon footprints, (with it sado-masochistic foot fetish undertones) and the selling of indulgences in the form of carbon credit point to some deep archetypall forces in 'the bosom of the guilty atheists', self-flaggelating but only so they can then turn the whip hand on the rest of us.
There are, to my mind, obvious psycho-religious and sexual undertones to the whole doom-mongering. The crazy fury of being rejected, the venom that wells up from being unconvincing (unloved) and so on, they show to me that many of the warmerists also struggle with unresolved issues around nanny or mum or both.

My, my… What a piece of puritanical prose… I’m imagining you bearded, in your pilgrim’s hat, bible in one hand, fire torch in the other…

Guilt… ‘Sweet liberating repentance’… ‘dwelling in the bosom’… sadomasochism… psycho-religiosity… You must’ve been a very naughty boy, Soren.

What were you up to before you ran back to old-timey religion?

Grin

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? Reply #326 - Apr 18^th, 2010 at 4:08pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 18^th, 2010 at 3:29pm: What were you up to before you ran back to old-timey religion? a psychoanalyst.
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? Reply #327 - Apr 18^th, 2010 at 4:10pm Soren wrote on Apr 18^th, 2010 at 4:08pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 18^th, 2010 at 3:29pm: What were you up to before you ran back to old-timey religion? a psychoanalyst. Ah, Ok then... that explains it. Your kids all screwed up then?
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Reply #328 - Apr 18^th, 2010 at 6:14pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 18^th, 2010 at 4:10pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 18^th, 2010 at 4:08pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Apr 18^th, 2010 at 3:29pm:

What were you up to before you ran back to old-timey religion?

Grin

a psychoanalyst.

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Ah, Ok then... that explains it.

Your kids all screwed up then? Grin

Not yet, not yet... They are resisting, the little brutes.
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Reply #329 - Apr 19^th, 2010 at 11:11am

Soren wrote on Apr 18^th, 2010 at 12:29pm:

Ah, but you misunderstand me... I am not the atheist, alone in a cold and uncaring universe, who is feeling an emotional hole where guilt and sweet, liberating repentance 'dwell in the bosom of the religious' (like?).

Don't tar all religious with the same brush. Buddhists for example, tend to frame the cold uncaring universe rather as empty and peaceful. For example, one of my favourite verses from the prologue to the Diamond Sutra.

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Everything changes, everything passes,
Things appearing, things disappearing.
But when all is over - everything having appeared and disappeared,
Being and extinction both transcended.
Still the basic emptiness and silence abides,
And that is blissful peace

It's only monotheists that have this obsession with repentance, or the need for a cosmic daddy to hold their hands in the "cold uncaring" universe, and are scared by the huge emptiness of the universe.

Sometimes I think they should grow up and accept that true liberation and peace comes from within. More mature religions are already aware of that.

Since I'm a Buddhist on Mondays, I should point out that most Buddhists (and Jainists) for example, believe that the source of all suffering is attachment. A monotheist god is probably one of the biggest attachments of all, and true to form has led to an incredible amount of misery and suffering in the world.

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