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Reply #255 - Apr 13^th, 2010 at 9:05am

Grendel wrote on Apr 13^th, 2010 at 12:58am:

Nope, I assert that I am not convinced that man made CO2 emissions is the driver that will cause the apocalypse you believe it will.

Are you suggesting that you accept man made CO2 emissions are causing global warming, but not at a rate that will cause an apocalypse?

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Reply #256 - Apr 13^th, 2010 at 9:42am

Paella wrote on Apr 12^th, 2010 at 1:38pm:

Puppy, a word of advice: when you've been really really stitched up, best policy is to just admit it an move on.

If you persist with this line you are just going to end up looking like an even bigger idiot.

It reminds me of this You Tube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYFQZFL0yoo

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Reply #257 - Apr 13^th, 2010 at 9:46am

Grendel wrote on Apr 13^th, 2010 at 12:58am:

Nope, I assert that I am not convinced that man made CO2 emissions is the driver that will cause the apocalypse you believe it will.

Is that apocalypse as in Armageddon? You mean with strange beasts with 666 written on their forehead and the final battle between good and evil?

You'll have to explain what you mean by this apocalypse that we all apparently believe in.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? Reply #258 - Apr 13^th, 2010 at 12:43pm Never denied that CO2 is one of the greenhouse gases. Never denied that temperatures had risen. Only really dumb people would accuse me of that.
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Reply #259 - Apr 13^th, 2010 at 12:49pm

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MORE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/climatesos/2009/12/2009124191343603151.html

Dear Mozz you claim I made a claim that Global Warming is a scam.... did I? I suggest you look above at the TITLE of the article I posted. I also suggest you look at the end of the topic title. Is that a question mark we all see there? You do know what a question mark indicates don't you? Cheesy

Don't keep lying about what I say and believe. Roll Eyes

You morons that keep feeding off each other to ridicule other people... you really need to get a life.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? Reply #260 - Apr 14^th, 2010 at 12:13am Paella wrote on Apr 12^th, 2010 at 1:29am: Soren lorenson, since you are obviously willing to to accept Lindzen as an authority on the topic, do you now also accept that AGW is real? Lindzen certainly does. Not in his most recent article which I have posted above.
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Reply #261 - Apr 14^th, 2010 at 8:00am

Grendel wrote on Apr 13^th, 2010 at 12:43pm:

Never denied that CO2 is one of the greenhouse gases.

Never denied that temperatures had risen.

Only really dumb people would accuse me of that.

Was anyone accusing you of that?

Are you suggesting that you accept man made CO2 emissions are causing global warming, but not at a rate that will cause an apocalypse?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? Reply #262 - Apr 14^th, 2010 at 2:04pm Well yes helian, but only a handful of idiots here. You rephrase the vague double barrel question and I'll attempt to answer it.
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Reply #263 - Apr 14^th, 2010 at 2:22pm

Wow Grendel, you are setting your standards lower and lower, and backtracking with abandon from your previous, stridently asserted, beliefs, and the truth, it would seem.

Is it your contention that you never argued that AGW is a scam?

Be careful how you answer, these servers hold a lot of info, even the old stuff we have posted, and may have forgotten about.

So I will give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you have merely forgotten how often you asserted we "alarmists" are all just a bunch of dills being conned, and that you are not deliberately trying to deny that fact.

It is OK to make mistakes, we all do, but telling porkies to try and avert the consequences is never a noble choice, and very rarely a wise one.

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Reply #264 - Apr 14^th, 2010 at 2:34pm

No Mozz I have never changed my view on this, just minor points in my understanding of the science.

post away Mozz... but replying to your misquotes, misinterpretations and outright lies will be tedious as ever.

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Never denied that CO2 is one of the greenhouse gases.

Never denied that temperatures had risen.

Only really dumb people would accuse me of that.

gee Mozz, what group does that put you in? You cant even get lies about me and the title of this topic right.... Grin

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Reply #265 - Apr 14^th, 2010 at 3:00pm

mozzaok wrote on Apr 14^th, 2010 at 2:22pm:

AGW is a scam?

Here's articulation of the scam of AGW in a nutshell, again:

Efforts to use climate science to threaten an apocalyptic future should we fail to embrace green proposals, and to characterize present-day natural disasters as terrifying previews of an impending day of reckoning, have only served to undermine the credibility of both climate science and progressive energy policy.

http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2257

The strident, condescending overshouting and jostling and moral preening has done immense harm, as usual.

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Reply #266 - Apr 14^th, 2010 at 7:02pm

A bit of a weak response to what is a pretty straight forward challenge to Grendel, admit you argued that AGW was just a massive scam, or deny you argued that point.

Pathetic prevarications are not answers.

The fact is these deniers recognise how loony their belief in a global conspiracy sounds, so they try to avoid openly saying it, they just hint at it over and over.

They were not always so shy though, in the past they have called it a con, a scam, a conspiracy, the whole range of nutty paranoid delusions that we see over and over.

Not unlike the secret zionist organisations that really run the world.
I wonder if an denialists could fill us in with that particularly entertaining belief?

Anyone? Roll Eyes

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: EVIDENCE THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A SCAM? Reply #267 - Apr 14^th, 2010 at 7:15pm AGW as perpetrated by Al Gore, Flannery, Rudd an all their ilk was/is a massive scam. Ballsy enough for you?
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Reply #268 - Apr 14^th, 2010 at 7:22pm

Yes Soren, I had already noticed that you had acknowledged it as a scam, but it was Grendel denying he had ever done so, and that is why I wanted him to answer.

He does not mean to lie, he mostly doesn't even really believe he is, but somewhere inside he must know he has, otherwise he would not be trying so hard to wriggle out of giving a straight answer.
I would just like to see him acknowledge the fact that he too, like the rest of us, makes mistakes.

Now as for you "ballsilly" Wink

going with the scam argument, would you care to explain who were the architects of the scam, what were the objectives of the scam, and what methods were used to gain the cooperation of tens of thousands of scientists to collude with this scam?

So got a "ballsy" answer to those questions?

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Reply #269 - Apr 14^th, 2010 at 8:28pm

Soren wrote on Apr 14^th, 2010 at 12:13am:

Paella wrote on Apr 12^th, 2010 at 1:29am:

Soren lorenson, since you are obviously willing to to accept Lindzen as an authority on the topic, do you now also accept that AGW is real?

Lindzen certainly does.

Not in his most recent article which I have posted above.

Are you as certain of that as you are of your assertion that AGW is not happening?

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