mozzaok wrote on Apr 12^th, 2010 at 4:10pm:



ANd you are calling sceptical arguments circular?!?  By your reckoning and mindset, the village council is increasingly reluctant to be open and honest because the village idiot was making fun of them.


Mozz, it's the dunderheads that are forcing the scientists to be less sloppy.  It's an awful lot of stupid 'gates' for something that is presented as straightforward and past dispute.

"Efforts to use climate science to threaten an apocalyptic future should we fail to embrace green proposals, and to characterize present-day natural disasters as terrifying previews of an impending day of reckoning, have only served to undermine the credibility of both climate science and progressive energy policy."

You can't go past this. This has been exposed by the village idiots. No mean feat for dunderheads. ANd it reflects really, really badly on the boosters (and their psychic need to be virtuous) that mere idots could expose something like this.

No, really beo, give it away. You're making a spectacle of yourself. You even edited your post after you'd been caught out. Just move on, the rest of us are starting to feel embarrassed for you.

listen Pooella...  nothing you say seems related to reality.  

but if you like being personal and paying out on me 'cause it makes you feel good...  go right ahead..  this is just what all you denialist/alarmists do, it's all a part of your insecurity about your delusion.

I'm quite content that sane people can actually tell reality from your delusions and lies. 

For Soren, who interpreted my argument as the village idiot shaming the town council, I at least agree that the idea of denialists as village idiots is appropriate, and one I heartily agree with him on.

The point he missed, how surprising, is that when any minor disagreement, revision, or even flaw, is pounced upon as necessitating the rejection of the whole, which is overwhelmingly not proven as flawed, by his village idiots, then we have the situation where we would be destroying something worthwhile for no good reason, and that just would not be a sensible course of action, and then the council would tell the idiot to f off.

It would be akin to people who found out certain medical procedures used were sometimes flawed, or not the optimal ones, and then accusing all doctors of conspiring to pervert medical knowledge, and also to demand all hospitals be closed down, and all medical treatment stopped, until we can have all medical practitioners and scientists agree just what is the optimal treatment, for every condition, in every circumstance, forever.

The result would be that nothing would ever be solved, nothing would progress, the process would have been stopped, and people would suffer who otherwise may not.

Make no mistake, this is exactly what these denialists want to happen to climate science, they want the process stopped.

A true skeptic would not be trying to stop the process of understanding, the person who does that is far more sinister.

I struggle to understand how denialists can ignore the fact that climate scientists are merely trying to find the best way to avoid unnecessary human suffering, yet they continue with their ridiculous delusion of secret cabals and secret world orders, I mean really, how freakin' loopy are these people?
The less loopy ones will avoid mentioning those core beliefs, but scratch any denialist, and that insane belief is what you will find.

Grendel wrote on Apr 12^th, 2010 at 9:29pm:

Grendel, come on. I'm not trying to be malicious or score a point: you're posting really immature stuff and it's just getting sillier and sillier. Let's try and stick to the topic and we'll move away from the whole OISM thing. We're done with it.

apoplectic...

mozzaok wrote on Apr 12^th, 2010 at 11:53pm:



Is this the Karma that's supposed to run over everyone's dogma? Everyone who does not share it is stupid or venal.

That seems to me much more like dogma and a very incontinent one at that.

OK Grendel, I think I get it now.
You start a thread implying you have evidence to prove global warming is a scam, not merely incorrect, or misguided, but a scam.
Your words, your assertion.

Do you believe that the thousands of scientists directly involved at the elite level are all conspiring to scam mankind?

Perhaps you even think that the further tens of thousands of highly credntialed scientists that agree with the AGW theory are also a party to perpetrating this scam?

Do you believe any of that?
Come on you started this thread over four months ago, at the time shouting about evidence that AGW is a scam, so if that is still your contention, at least have the guts to tell us just who do you believe is perpetrating this scam.

Please, tell us.

Now apart from being an incorrigible smartarse, which you all know, I am also somewhat of an accomplished clairvoyant, which may surprise you.

My prediction for today is that Grendel will not tell us who he thinks is scamming us, but he will continue to assert that the evidence he has against them is very strong.
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