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Dec 9th, 2009 at 6:53am
 
Climate change sceptics speak out

NOT everone believes in human-caused climate change. Here, some of Australia's most respected scientists have their say on this very divisive debate.

Weather balloons disprove a theory based on a guess

By Dr David Evans

ALARMIST climate theory depends in part on a plausible guess made in the early 1980s when there was insufficient data, but disproved by 1999.

Otherwise, alarmist and sceptic scientists mostly agree about how much global warming is caused by extra carbon dioxide.

The guess is that "water feedbacks" strongly amplify the warming due to extra carbon dioxide. We can calculate how much global temperature will rise if carbon dioxide levels rise by a certain amount, if the Earth does not respond in any way to being warmer.

Alarmists and sceptics agree on these calculations. But the Earth responds to being warmer by increasing rainfall and evaporation and so on. This in turn affects the temperature further, called "feeding back".

Particularly important are the feedbacks due to water in all its forms - clouds, rain, water vapour, humidity, snow, ice, and so on. Alarmists say the feedbacks triple the warming due to carbon dioxide, sceptics say they halve them.

The theoretical amplifying assumed by alarmists would, according to them, be nearly all due to extra water vapour in the atmosphere, from extra evaporation. Water vapour is a greenhouse gas, so this would further warm the planet. That extra water vapour would expand the warm, moist, lower troposphere into the cooler, dry air above it.

If that happened it would create a "hotspot" in the atmospheric warming pattern, mainly about 10km up over the tropics. All the climate models predict a prominent hotspot. But radiosonde (weather balloon) observations from 1979 to 1999, the last period of global warming, show beyond reasonable doubt that there is no hotspot. None at all.

So the alarmist climate theory is wrong: there is no extra water vapour, so the feedbacks do not amplify. The radiosonde data shocked the alarmists, who expected a hotspot to confirm their theory.

Dr David Evans was a consultant to the Australian Greenhouse Office from 1999 to 2005

THE Great Barrier Reef is just fine and threatened by nothing

By Dr Walter Starck

Water temperatures and the frequency of destructive storms are a bit below the long-term average. The coral bleaching events of 1998 and 2002 were nothing unusual.

They were simply a result of surface warming due to extended periods of calm weather when normal wave mixing ceases.

This often happens in El Nino events.

Rapid recovery from these and more recent storm damage attests to the healthy vigour of the reef system. Run-off of agrichemicals and fertilisers is at lower levels than those in our own drinking water and has declined, not increased, over recent decades.

Of the more than 2500 reefs in the Great Barrier Reef complex, about two dozen are regularly used for tourism and 90 per cent rarely or never experience a human presence.

The commercial fishing catch is restricted to a level that equates to an average harvest level of 9kg/square km/year when 4000kg is considered a conservative estimate of sustainable yield for reef fisheries.

Globally, atmospheric and ocean temperatures as well as sea level rise have all declined over the past decade.

Antarctic sea ice extent is at all-time highs. Record and near-record cold had been recorded in many areas around the world over the past few years. Record extreme high temperatures on all continents save one were between 1881 and 1942. The exception is Antarctica in 1974.

Dr Walter Starck received a PhD in marine science from the University of Miami in 1964 and was a pioneer in coral reef science. He has lived in Far North Queensland studying the Great Barrier Reef since 1978

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Reply #1 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 6:54am
 
Carbon dioxide is in no way the villain

By Professor Ian Plimer

CARBON dioxide is odourless, colourless and tasteless. It is non-toxic. It is plant food.

Without carbon dioxide, there would be no life on Earth.

Pollution kills, carbon dioxide is the essence of life. Water vapour and carbon dioxide are the main gases emitted from volcanoes. This process has been taking place for the past 4567 million years and continues today.

The early Earth's atmosphere contained about 30 per cent of carbon dioxide.

Once life started to use this carbon dioxide, it started to decrease from 30 per cent to the current 0.035 per cent. Carbon dioxide was once the major gas in the atmosphere, it is now a trace gas. And this is due to natural sequestration into soils, limey sediments, cements in sediments, carbonates from water-rock reactions, coal, black carbon-rich sediments, oil, gas, shells and reefs.

This natural sequestration is still taking place. Coral reefs contain 44 per cent carbon dioxide.

Without carbon dioxide there would be no coral. During former times when carbon dioxide was a major gas in the atmosphere, the oceans were not acid.

The fact that coral and algal reefs, fossil shells and carbonate sediments exist in ancient rocks shows that ancient oceans were alkaline, otherwise such rocks would not be preserved.

Oceans have remained alkaline because of chemical reactions in water. These reactions remove carbon dioxide from seawater.

There have been six major ice ages in the history of the planet. Five were at times when carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was far higher than now. This means that carbon dioxide could not have driven climate change in the past, so why should a lower content in the atmosphere now drive it?

Professor Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining Geology at the University of Adelaide, is in Copenhagen as part of a group of leading human-induced climate change sceptics
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Reply #2 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 9:40am
 
Grendel wrote on Dec 9th, 2009 at 6:53am:
Weather balloons disprove a theory based on a guess

By Dr David Evans

ALARMIST climate theory depends in part on a plausible guess made



Now why would you use a regional weather balloon study that's 10 years old, when we have perfectly good satellite determinations of mean water vapour concentrations that are much more up-to-date?
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Reply #3 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 9:45am
 
Grendel wrote on Dec 9th, 2009 at 6:54am:
Carbon dioxide is in no way the villain

By Professor Ian Plimer

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There have been six major ice ages in the history of the planet. Five were at times when carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was far higher than now. This means that carbon dioxide could not have driven climate change in the past, so why should a lower content in the atmosphere now drive it?



Plimer is a con-man. He has been debunked extensively. The linked file shows his disregard for basic (very basic) science.

http://www.complex.org.au/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=91
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Reply #4 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 10:33am
 
yawn....  same old same old eh muso.

Cant argue cant refute... yet another science bottom dweller of the alarmist kind.
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Reply #5 - Dec 9th, 2009 at 10:46am
 

how would you "negotiate" with someone who has already done backdoor deals with his mates ??

ruddys lies comments are being dissed investigated.

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The UN climate talks in Copenhagen descended into acrimony overnight after the leaking of a draft "Copenhagen Agreement" that would require developing countries to take on targets as the world cut emissions in half by 2050.

Drafted by the Danish Government after talks with the so-called "circle of commitment", including Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, the document said global emissions should peak by the end of next decade but did not include any emissions targets for 2020 or specific proposals for the creation of a green fund to help the most vulnerable. Control of climate change finance would be passed to the World Bank.

Angry developing countries said the document was the work of rich nations who wanted to abandon the existing Kyoto Protocol, which is not mentioned in the draft, and its principle of only industrialised nations taking on emissions targets due to their historic responsibility for climate change.........


http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/copenhagen-climate-summit-in-di...
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