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Reply #75 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 3:33pm
 
muso wrote on Dec 12th, 2009 at 10:53am:
So I noticed that you remained silent on ocean acidification (or pH reduction). That's a pretty direct mechanism, and you'd have to be pretty ingrown not be acknowledge that as a problem.



What is the probem?

"In CO2-rich Environment, Some Ocean Dwellers Increase Shell Production " What's wrong with that?

In a striking finding that raises new questions about carbon dioxide’s (CO2) impact on marine life, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) scientists report that some shell-building creatures—such as crabs, shrimp and lobsters—unexpectedly build more shell when exposed to ocean acidification caused by elevated levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2).

Because excess CO2 dissolves in the ocean—causing it to “acidify” —researchers have been concerned about the ability of certain organisms to maintain the strength of their shells. Carbon dioxide is known to trigger a process that reduces the abundance of carbonate ions in seawater—one of the primary materials that marine organisms use to build their calcium carbonate shells and skeletons.

The concern is that this process will trigger a weakening and decline in the shells of some species and, in the long term, upset the balance of the ocean ecosystem.

But in a study published in the Dec. 1 issue of Geology, a team led by former WHOI postdoctoral researcher Justin B. Ries found that seven of the 18 shelled species they observed actually built more shell when exposed to varying levels of increased acidification. This may be because the total amount of dissolved inorganic carbon available to them is actually increased when the ocean becomes more acidic, even though the concentration of carbonate ions is decreased.

“Most likely the organisms that responded positively were somehow able to manipulate…dissolved inorganic carbon in the fluid from which they precipitated their skeleton in a way that was beneficial to them,” said Ries, now an assistant professor in marine sciences at the University of North Carolina. “They were somehow able to manipulate CO2…to build their skeletons.”

Organisms displaying such improvement also included calcifying red and green algae, limpets and temperate urchins. Mussels showed no effect.

“We were surprised that some organisms didn’t behave in the way we expected under elevated CO2,” said Anne L. Cohen, a research specialist at WHOI and one of the study’s co-authors. “What was really interesting was that some of the creatures, the coral, the hard clam and the lobster, for example, didn’t seem to care about CO2 until it was higher than about 1,000 parts per million [ppm].” Current atmospheric CO2 levels are about 380 ppm, she said. Above this level, calcification was reduced in the coral and the hard clam, but elevated in the lobster

The “take-home message, “ says Cohen, is that “we can’t assume that elevated CO2 causes a proportionate decline in calcification of all calcifying organisms.” WHOI and the National Science Foundation funded the work.
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Reply #76 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 5:26pm
 
That's correct, and some corals, and particularly, deep water corals are not affected, however a number of important species are affected, and they include phytoplankton and coccolithophores, which are important food chain organisms.

Although calcification rates increase for certain species, the mineralisation is more predominantly calcite rather than aragonite based. Aragonite is a much harder substance. The increasing CO2 will affect organisms that produce aragonite to a much greater extent, and some of those, including fish themseves, are important for commercial fisheries.

There is a secondary effect due to the decrease in coccolithophores, and that is a direct decrease in ocean albedo which will increase warming of surface waters.
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Reply #77 - Dec 12th, 2009 at 5:33pm
 
muso wrote on Dec 12th, 2009 at 5:26pm:
That's correct, and some corals, and particularly, deep water corals are not affected, however a number of important species are affected, and they include phytoplankton and coccolithophores, which are important food chain organisms.

Although calcification rates increase for certain species, the mineralisation is more predominantly calcite rather than aragonite based. Aragonite is a much harder substance. The increasing CO2 will affect organisms that produce aragonite to a much greater extent, and some of those, including fish themseves, are important for commercial fisheries.

There is a secondary effect due to the decrease in coccolithophores, and that is a direct decrease in ocean albedo which will increase warming of surface waters.


I saw a paper which showed common phytoplankton (the basis of the ocean's food chain), actually grew faster under simulated increased atmospheric CO2. So perhaps fisheries productivity could be enhanced by more CO2.
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Reply #78 - Dec 13th, 2009 at 6:58am
 
pjb05 wrote on Dec 12th, 2009 at 5:33pm:
muso wrote on Dec 12th, 2009 at 5:26pm:
That's correct, and some corals, and particularly, deep water corals are not affected, however a number of important species are affected, and they include phytoplankton and coccolithophores, which are important food chain organisms.

Although calcification rates increase for certain species, the mineralisation is more predominantly calcite rather than aragonite based. Aragonite is a much harder substance. The increasing CO2 will affect organisms that produce aragonite to a much greater extent, and some of those, including fish themseves, are important for commercial fisheries.

There is a secondary effect due to the decrease in coccolithophores, and that is a direct decrease in ocean albedo which will increase warming of surface waters.


I saw a paper which showed common phytoplankton (the basis of the ocean's food chain), actually grew faster under simulated increased atmospheric CO2. So perhaps fisheries productivity could be enhanced by more CO2.


Unlikely. It's a complex system. Fish are dependant on the healthy development of aragonitic otoliths for balance and orientation.  Whole ecosystems are shifting geographically with changes in ocean temperature. Unfortunately they don't all move at the same speed.

One of the few positive spins at the moment is that crustaceans are less affected than other species, so perhaps lobster will become a cheaper alternative.
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