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Reply #15 - Dec 4th, 2009 at 8:24am
 
We get the politicians we deserve.

If the nation truly wanted a working class party, instead of having an obsession with middle-class pretensions, then our society would respond by producing one.

To imagine any other is to cast ourselves as hapless victims of uncontrollable circumstance.

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Reply #16 - Dec 5th, 2009 at 10:13pm
 
what it will take is that ALL Australians put a "no confidence" vote in for both Libs and Labs.
simply show them we do not want them "representing" us any longer.
the old adage: what if someone called a election and no-one came?

what we are really electing here, each 3 years or so, is which form of police force is going to boss us around.
btw, i really believe that police officers should not carry deadly weapons.
this should be a division of the army used domestically, and not our cops.

anyway, as soon as i can i'm leaving Australia, as i believe this excuse for a nation can only get worse in the immediate years to come.
don't want to spend my remaining good years in what Australia will devolve into.
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Reply #17 - Dec 6th, 2009 at 1:07am
 
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We get the politicians we deserve.

If the nation truly wanted a working class party, instead of having an obsession with middle-class pretensions, then our society would respond by producing one.

To imagine any other is to cast ourselves as hapless victims of uncontrollable circumstance.



I agree with that to a certain extent Helian, and to an extent I also think that we're that victim of circumstance...or victim of the human condition for the want of total control.

To dig out a phrase that I've used ad nauseum, "Like a pot of slowly boiling frogs that don't know when to jump out of the pot". Meaning that if you throw a frog into a pt of boiling water, it will immediately jump out. But if you turn up the heat slowly, it will sit there peacefully and boil to death.
I've never tried that experiment personally and never intend to, but it's the constant incremental changes in our society that I see as being analogous to that theory. And the escalating rate in which they are ocurring is a real concern.

If you were to back-peddle 30yrs or so and look into the future to our present political system, you'd probably come to the conclusion that we have two major right winged parties, one slightly less right winged than the other. Very similar to how the U.S. political system was perceived back then.
Maybe it's just a natural progression of what people want, but the Howard government fear mongering during the last election of a return to the bad old BLF days didn't turn too many people off voting for Labor. And if people weren't scared of it, then did they get what they voted for?

I've never been able to find the exact amount of legislative changes the Howard government put through the senate, but I do know that the figure is huge. By far the largest in Australia's history.

The formula seems quite simple.The media sells the drama, closely followed by new laws and fines..and therefore more control for the government....even though they barely manage for us any of our assets anymore. They've about sold the lot of our stuff, but they want (usurp) more control and more money. Who thu fukc are they to be in existence only to dictate laws and take money?

Every new law is an investment in control. The latest I was just reading in a media poll "Do you think that dog-walking should be mandatory?"
There you go, there's another easy control cow. Simply use the unconstitutional councils to enforce a dog-walking law and take money at their discression.
So how about something that people really care about, like a mandatory law for the banks to stop profiteering from the people?

It's little wonder that people like djrbfm want to get tha hell out of this country, I've felt exactly the same on many ocassions. Especially when you look at the lifestyle of other nations.
Sure there's less certainty of safety, but I haven't wanted a nanny for many a year, and I actually pay money here for the right to put myself at personal risk.
If you want to get out of this country djrbfm, then I'm sure that there will be an exit fine to make it less attractive.







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Reply #18 - Dec 6th, 2009 at 7:51am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 3rd, 2009 at 7:52pm:
Onya Mozzaok.
You're the only poster to have the guts to talk about Tony.
Tony's thrashed ruddy on their first face up.

Rhodes Scholar, Aussie Surf life saver, cyclist, pugilist, Budgie smuggler wearer.
i know boxers, very good opponents.


That's all Abbott is - fitness fanatic, headkicker and a puppet with his strings being pulled by Howard.

Do we really want to go back to the dark old days of Howard? Rudd admittedly isn't much better - but he isn't as scary as Howard. Abbott on his own without Howard being the puppetmaster wouldn't have a hope in hell of winning the next election. Howard is back in his element though and will fulfill his ambitions through Abbott.

We've got to remember why we voted this megalomanic out.


Former Prime Minister John Howard says he is pleased his friend and former minister Tony Abbott has taken leadership of the Liberal Party and says he will assist Mr Abbott in any way he can.

Mr Howard says the new Opposition Leader's intellect, energy and strong attitudes are to be applauded.

"Tony is a close friend of mine. He's a person who has enormous intellect, he has great vigour, he's got enormous energy and he has very, very strong attitudes and I respect that in him and I will do everything I can to assist him," he said.

It was a night of celebration for the Liberal party faithful.

The latest Howard biography was in hardback and the party had a new leader from its conservative base.

John Howard spoke in Sydney last night at a book launch of The Howard Era - a collection of essays and stories - a biography written largely by his former staff members.

He thanked all 21 authors who had penned a chapter, including the party's latest leader.

"One of the other contributors, of course, is now the leader of Her Majesty's loyal opposition and that is Tony Abbott," he said.

"And can I say, without in any way reflecting upon the contributions of either Brendan Nelson or Malcolm Turnbull, both of whom were cabinet ministers in my government and both of whom in their different ways brought enormous strength to that government and made huge contributions to the Liberal Party in a difficult time immediately after a defeat, I want to say how much I warm to Tony."

Quadrant, a conservative intellectual journal, was behind the launch of The Howard Era at the Union Club in Sydney's CBD.

The former member for Bennelong took questions from a crowd of supporters on a number of policy issues.

He says he would have had a far different approach to dealing with the global financial crisis.

Mr Howard also expressed why he though the former Liberal Party leader, Malcolm Turnbull, had lost the republican campaign.

"Those who wanted a republic had the insufferable conceit of arguing that in some way you were a better Australian if you were a republican, than if you were a monarchist," he said.

"And the idea that there was a hierarchy of national passion according to whether you believed in a republic or you didn't, I found that quite offensive."

He says it is now time for him to read the collection.

"I will read the book with enormous interest. I want to thank all of those who've made their contributions; I do that in advance of reading everything that they have written," he said.

Mr Howard has spent most of this year writing his own version of events. His autobiography is due to be released late next year.
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Reply #19 - Dec 6th, 2009 at 11:08am
 

tony's a boxer
boxers do not have strings pulled by anyone.
look at how he talks to the flabby one

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........the Prime Minister is being forced to defend his emissions trading scheme from Tony Abbott's attack that it's just a "great bloody big new tax" and that "direct government action" could deliver emissions reductions at a lower price........


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/rudds-copenhagen-dash/story-e6frg6xf-122580...


that's an opposition
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Reply #20 - Dec 6th, 2009 at 12:04pm
 
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"Those who wanted a republic had the insufferable conceit of arguing that in some way you were a better Australian if you were a republican, than if you were a monarchist," he said.

"And the idea that there was a hierarchy of national passion according to whether you believed in a republic or you didn't, I found that quite offensive."



There is a very important insight in that. Rudd wings the 'denialist club with the same insufferable conceit as Turnbull did the Reublican one.



It's great to learn that Howard is to the Lberals that Obeid and Tripodi are to NSW Labor.

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Reply #21 - Dec 6th, 2009 at 3:54pm
 
Soren wrote on Dec 3rd, 2009 at 9:04pm:
Au contraire.

it is high time for some greater polarity, sharper contrast.


howard was keating-lite, rudd howard-lite. can't have any more lightweight than Rudd. Turnbull tried it, look what happened.
What was he difefrence between Rudd and Turnbull?
Rudd and Hockey?

The mood for pussies is over. Look at Obama -  a lightwight. He is so inlusive, he doesn't know how to be an American President. To him everything is community outreach -bowing to the King of Araby, the Emperor of Japan - it's all community organising.

NZ had enough of Clarke. Blair is gone, Brown soon to follow. Canada, with a conservative government in the Howard mould,  is now the most odius nation for the likes of Monbiot. That must be an encouraging sign.


All of a suddent the Left is the old, fuddy-duddy, stuck in the past side of politics.


Turnbull tried to put the liberal back in the Liberals but instead basically got tossed out for the Conservatives because the Liberal party is a Conservative party.

The greater polarity and sharper contrast did not work out so well for Mark Latham did it?
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Reply #22 - Dec 6th, 2009 at 8:50pm
 
Senexx wrote on Dec 6th, 2009 at 3:54pm:
Turnbull tried to put the liberal back in the Liberals but instead basically got tossed out for the Conservatives because the Liberal party is a Conservative party.

The greater polarity and sharper contrast did not work out so well for Mark Latham did it?


You don't have to be a psychologist to see that Abbott is not crazy-brave like Latham.
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Reply #23 - Dec 7th, 2009 at 6:07am
 
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You don't have to be a psychologist to see that Abbott is not crazy-brave like Latham.


Latham could've been good...really good. The guy was a political genius, but he had a bit too much passion for the likes of the downtrodden neo-aussie citizens. It was all too much close up violence, where the neo-aussie is much more proned to go for the arm's length bombing of innocent civilians.
But what's a broken arm or two between citizens when your country's future is at stake?
I'd vote for Latham in a heartbeat, he was a true brave.




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Reply #24 - Dec 7th, 2009 at 12:09pm
 

Abbotts more intelligent than rudd.
Abbotts in better physical shape.
His average heart rate was 112/63. Does a 50 minute jog at 4 am.
Abbotts got a real blokes haircut.
Abbotts younger.

Abbott has real world experience - Rhodes Scholar, Journalist.
Plant Manager, Pioneer Concrete.
Press secretary and political adviser to the Leader of the Opposition, Dr J.R. Hewson 1990-93.
Executive Director, Australians for Constitutional Monarchy 1993-94.

rudds only ever been a jaw flapper - Diplomat 1981-88.
Chief of Staff to the Hon. W Goss 1988-91.
Director-General, Cabinet Office (Qld) 1991-95.
Senior China Consultant, KPMG Australia 1996-98.




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Reply #25 - Dec 7th, 2009 at 6:34pm
 
Amadd wrote on Dec 7th, 2009 at 6:07am:
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You don't have to be a psychologist to see that Abbott is not crazy-brave like Latham.


Latham could've been good...really good. The guy was a political genius, but he had a bit too much passion for the likes of the downtrodden neo-aussie citizens. It was all too much close up violence, where the neo-aussie is much more proned to go for the arm's length bombing of innocent civilians.
But what's a broken arm or two between citizens when your country's future is at stake?
I'd vote for Latham in a heartbeat, he was a true brave.






Latham coulda been a great contender in the mayoral elections in Campbelltown. Or in State government in NSW where all the crazies come to rest at their natural level of incomptence.


In a welfare state, where education and health is free to the poor, there is absolutely no excuse for 19th century class politics. The divisions are now elsewhere. To party on about Torys like it's 1872 is to be the real stuck-in-the mud reactionary - the world has changed but the minds are stuck.

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Reply #26 - Dec 7th, 2009 at 7:02pm
 
Latham was The Man you needed at Council Meetings. Come to think of it that is where Kevin Rudd would be more comfortable!! Remember that Dear Leader has only been in The Lodge for 2 years and is never home. Spending so much time flying around The World, chasing World Leaders, and children in schools, to get piccies for his scrapbook.

Howard NEVER spend this amount of time away in his first 2 years.  Kiss
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Reply #27 - Dec 7th, 2009 at 8:40pm
 
Neferti wrote on Dec 7th, 2009 at 7:02pm:
Latham was The Man you needed at Council Meetings. Come to think of it that is where Kevin Rudd would be more comfortable!! Remember that Dear Leader has only been in The Lodge for 2 years and is never home. Spending so much time flying around The World, chasing World Leaders, and children in schools, to get piccies for his scrapbook.





He is obviously a very strong candidate for the next Nobel Peace Prize...


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Reply #28 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 7:50am
 
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Howard NEVER spend this amount of time away in his first 2 years.


So what? Howard was/is a turd, he never had to deal with a WFC and he did sweet fa about climate change, thats one reason we are going to pay so much for it now, Howard was a useless peice of s hit and we 're paying for it now.
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Reply #29 - Dec 8th, 2009 at 8:43am
 

nef and skippy - off topic comments.

feel free to start a JWH thread if you wish
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