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Nov 30^th, 2009 at 7:56am

The majority of Swiss people and cantons reject the building of new minarets, Muslims remain incomprehending, as usual.

Identifies problem:
"Over the last two decades Islam has become connected to so many controversial debates – violence, extremism, freedom of speech, gender discrimination, forced marriage, to name a few – it is difficult for ordinary citizens to embrace this new Muslim presence as a positive factor."

But can't quite bring himself to take responsibility for the problem:
"Spread a sense of victimhood among the Swiss people: we are under siege, the Muslims are silently colonising us and we are losing our very roots and culture. This strategy worked."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/nov/29/swiss-vote-ban-minare...

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Reply #1 - Nov 30^th, 2009 at 11:29am

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2009 at 7:56am:

The majority of Swiss people and cantons reject the building of new minarets, Muslims remain incomprehending, as usual.

Identifies problem:
"Over the last two decades Islam has become connected to so many controversial debates – violence, extremism, freedom of speech, gender discrimination, forced marriage, to name a few – it is difficult for ordinary citizens to embrace this new Muslim presence as a positive factor."

But can't quite bring himself to take responsibility for the problem:
"Spread a sense of victimhood among the Swiss people: we are under siege, the Muslims are silently colonising us and we are losing our very roots and culture.
This strategy worked."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/nov/29/swiss-vote-ban-minare...

We [the 'West'] started 'losing' our 'roots and culture' decades ago.

Look at how we express [defend] our values, then look at the 'self belief' of moslem communities.

Moslems know what they believe in.

That is the difference between us.

To survive, a culture must have the confidence to assert its own unique values, and 'beliefs' [whether or not, those 'beliefs' are religious].

What do we
believe in???

Do we believe in freedom, and TRUTH, and liberty, and justice?

Are you sure?

Q.
Should we [the West] fight, or resist, ISLAM?
OR,
Should we submit to ISLAM?

Let me simplify the Q. even further for you....

Should we submit to EVIL?

Err, do you know the correct answer?

IMO, it is very clear, that many people don't!

IN THE CONTEXT OF THESE QUESTIONS [above],
...i make this argument to you,

And i ask you this,
....why are so few people in Western nations willing to confront an evil philosophy like ISLAM?

And why has ISLAM been so successful at making inroads into Western nations, subverting non-moslem political and community institutions?

I myself will suggest an answer,

It is because moslems believe [in their moral position], and because we in the West [as a culture] don't believe,
....in anything!
....[except personal consumption, and pursuing our own personal pleasure.]

And for God's sake, woe betide anyone who confronts us, with our moral 'apostasy'!!

Dictionary,

apostasy = = the abandonment or renunciation of a belief *or principle*.

IMO, the trouble is that our 'values' and perceptions of right and wrong, of good and evil, have become so perverted, that in the name of 'tolerance', we are happy to embrace and protect the 'human rights' of ppl who, in any moral society would be regarded as criminals.

TRUTH

We are not
a 'tolerant' culture.

Rather, we have become an evil culture and people, through our 'tolerance' of evil.
.....the 'tolerance' of evil in ourselves, and in those whom we have 'embraced'.

As i said, our perceptions of right and wrong, of good and evil, have become perverted.

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil."

Thomas Mann

I am quite sure, that we [the West] will not win this war [which ISLAM is waging against us], because we are an amoral people,
....and we don't care, that we are amoral.

Dictionary,

amoral = = lacking a moral sense; unconcerned whether something is right or wrong.

And, there are 3 reasons why we won't win this war with ISLAM,

1/ We hate the TRUTH.
2/ We hate the TRUTH.
3/ We hate the TRUTH.

Why can't we as a ppl understand those words, and that concept [about 'belief']?

People who hate TRUTH, end up destroying themselves -

ALWAYS

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Reply #2 - Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 8:23pm

Muslim dentist loses discrimination suit
Published: 30 Nov 09 17:39 CET

A Muslim woman from Kista north of Stockholm who was denied a job as a dentist after refusing to wear short-sleeved work clothes for religious reasons has lost her discrimination case against the Swedish Public Dental Service (Folktandvården).

Following the completion of her dental studies in January 2008, the now 29-year-old woman applied for a position with the public dental service in Stockholm.

During the hiring process, she was informed that the dental agency requires personnel to wear short-sleeved gowns when treating patients.

But the rules, put in place for hygiene reasons, came into conflict with her Muslim faith, which requires that she show as little skin as possible in public.

Looking for a solution, she said she would be willing to wear disposable arm sleeves over a long-sleeved gown.

“We presented evidence from Socialstyrelsen (National Board of Health and Welfare) that showed that using these disposable arm sleeves has the same level of hygiene,” she said.

After Folktandvården rejected the compromise, she sued the dental service for 150,000 kronor ($21,500) in damages alleging the organization's refusal to accommodate her request to avoid short-sleeved work clothes amounted to discrimination.

But the Stockholm court sided with the dental service, finding that the decision not to hire the woman did not amount to discrimination.

In its ruling, the court cited health board regulations which recommend healthcare personnel use short-sleeved gowns when examining patients.

“Even it if means a disadvantaging of Muslims [...], Folktandvården is required to follow the current guidelines for basic hygiene for the healthcare system,” the court wrote in its judgment.

The court also ordered the woman to pay 250,000 kronor to cover the dental service’s court costs, something which she said is not going to be easy.

“It’s pretty unacceptable. I’m not working right now and have no income,” she said, adding that she is currently supported by her father.

The 29-year-old told The Local she is considering an appeal, but has yet to make up her mind.

http://www.thelocal.se/23572/20091130/

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Reply #3 - Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 10:13pm

Yep real smart. Marginalising even more people, so of course they'll become more 'moderate' that way. Perhaps thats the point isn't it? You actually like to see Muslims being pushed more towards extremism, because it brings about the clash you so desperately need.

Funny how when a woman is in Afghanistan, she has to be protected from discrimination and great lengths must be gone to, in order to ensure her equality, and to assist her to get the chance for an education and out of the home to work... but not in Stockholm!! No way!

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Reply #4 - Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 10:34pm

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 10:13pm:

Yep real smart. Marginalising even more people, so of course they'll become more 'moderate' that way. Perhaps thats the point isn't it? You actually like to see Muslims being pushed more towards extremism, because it brings about the clash you so desperately need.

Funny how when a woman is in Afghanistan, she has to be protected from discrimination and great lengths must be gone to, in order to ensure her equality, and to assist her to get the chance for an education and out of the home to work... but not in Stockholm!! No way!

She can always go an practice in Afghanistan. Huge call for lady dentists there...

Or Switzerland. Apparently they like Muslims who simply can't accept the rules of the country they find themselves in.

It is soooo obviously islamophobia, isn't it, Comical Abu. The judgement says it so plainly:

In its ruling, the court cited health board regulations which recommend healthcare personnel use short-sleeved gowns when examining patients.

“Even it if means a disadvantaging of Muslims [...], Folktandvården is required to follow the current guidelines for basic hygiene for the healthcare system,” the court wrote in its judgment.

Musta been jewish judges. It's a global conspiracy.

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Reply #6 - Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 11:15pm

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 10:56pm:

She agreed to wear arm coverings. It's quite clearly a case of trying to hassle Muslims.

Stop urinating down your own back and calling it rain.

The wit and wisdom of the desert.... Very amusing. Just like Muslim science - where the call for bare arms is met by wearing long sleeves.

And you guys are wondering 'why do they hate us so much?" Because you are so eyewateringly thick, for starters. And then you insist on being thick. You are ostentatiously thick.

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Reply #7 - Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 7:25am

Quote:

Yep real smart. Marginalising even more people, so of course they'll become more 'moderate' that way. Perhaps thats the point isn't it? You actually like to see Muslims being pushed more towards extremism, because it brings about the clash you so desperately need.

-Abu

Quite a display of the muslim mindset Abu.
It is also why people describe you as an apologist and symapthiser for radical loons who promote terror to try and impose their standards onto everyone.

What you are effectively saying is, that you either give all muslims, whatever they want, whenever they want, or they will then have justification to join the terrorists, and come blow you up.
This ever present threat of violence, is actually something that muslims enjoy using, to add weight to their claims, which only lowers any respect for them from decent caring people, who give everyone a fair go.

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Reply #8 - Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 9:18am

abu_rashid wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 10:13pm:

Yep real smart. Marginalising even more people, so of course they'll become more 'moderate' that way.

Nobody
is marginalising this person abu.

She has decided, herself, to 'marginalise' herself, and to reject the norms of the society and culture, in which she lives.

She is saying, in effect,
"Your cultural norms do not apply to me, and to people like myself, moslems.
And YOUR laws and values should, and must, change to 'accommodate' the cultural norms and values of people like myself."

What happened, is that after the rejection of her 'cultural' demands, this woman then determined, herself, to portray her own intransigence, as being the 'discrimination' of others.

What she did was to try to 'cleverly' 'PROJECT' her own cultural intransigence [wickedness], as being the 'discrimination' of others.

This moslem woman [LIKE ALL 'GOOD' MOSLEMS], is a cultural bigot
!

A real bigot.

I also find it very, very, pleasing that the authorities within Sweden have decided to apply costs for this woman's irrational, illogical, and malicious litigation.

Soren wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 8:23pm:

Muslim dentist loses discrimination suit
Published: 30 Nov 09 17:39 CET

.....

In its ruling, the court cited health board regulations which recommend healthcare personnel use short-sleeved gowns when examining patients.

“Even it if means a disadvantaging of Muslims [...], Folktandvården is required to follow the current guidelines for basic hygiene for the healthcare system,” the court wrote in its judgment.

The court also ordered the woman to pay 250,000 kronor to cover the dental service’s court costs, something which she said is not going to be easy.

If i had my way, and if it can be reasonably demonstrated that this legal action, by this person, was an example of 'vexatious litigation', and if this person can't find the money [i.e. if she refuses] to reimburse 'the dental service’s court costs', then this person would be publicly flogged as punishment for her malicious litigation.

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1 causing annoyance or worry.
2 Law (of an action) brought without sufficient grounds for winning, purely to cause annoyance to the defendant.

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Reply #9 - Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 9:37am

Yadda wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 9:18am:

This moslem woman [LIKE ALL 'GOOD' MOSLEMS], is a cultural bigot !

A real bigot.

Open a dictionary,

bigot = = a person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others.

Moslems are intolerant of all things un-ISLAMIC.

Moslems where they can, will insist that ISLAMIC values and norms should apply to themselves, and that expecting moslems to accept our cultural norms, AND OUR LAWS, is 'discrimination' against moslems.

TRUTH

This is nothing more than the manufacture of their moslem 'victimhood', in the moslem pursuit of their intended cultural domination, by ISLAM / Sharia of non-moslem nations.

This is ALL part of the surreptitious application of the JIHAD [the moslem 'struggle'] to bring 'Allah's way', upon other people.

I think that his has been called elsewhere, a war using 'Salami tactics'.

A cultural war of attrition, 'slice by slice'.

Dictionary,

attrition = =
1 the action or process of gradually wearing down through sustained attack or pressure.
2 wearing away by friction.

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Reply #10 - Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 10:32am

really you people exhibit nothing but pure arrogance. She was quite willing to meet the requirements, whilst still remaining true to her beliefs.

Yadda, this is precisely what you covet isn't it? That the followers of your own religion be sincere and willing to sacrifice for their staunch adherence to their beliefs. That is why you are so upset about this, because you are envious. Rather than followers of your own religion just being misguided... perhaps you're just misguided to the wrong religion?

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Reply #11 - Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 11:01am

You said it Abu, "HER BELIEFS".
Now you go on to say that society must accommodate her beliefs, because they are dressed up and called a religion, and the whole point here was that she knew, upfront, what the requirements were, but chose to ignore that, and demand the requirements be changed, to suit HER BELIEFS.
It is great that secular society is standing up to crazy religious beliefs, we do not want your beliefs imposing themselves onto the rest of us, and if you do not like that, stay out of secular society, isolate yourselves even further, and you can keep your silly club rules, because we do not want to know about them, let alone be coerced into accepting them.

What next, a voodoo dentist demanding the right to bite a chooks head off at the start of each appointment, if it suits his beliefs?

It is high time that muslims began respecting the beliefs and customs of the socieities they choose to come and live in, you know the ones, SECULAR societies.
We like them that way, so keep your beliefs in your church, and your homes, when you are mixing in a secular society, then accept it's beliefs, especially the belief that they do not have to accommodate every whacked out belief of every whacked out religious extremist.

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Reply #12 - Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 1:02pm

mozzaok wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 11:01am:

You said it Abu, "HER BELIEFS"
.
Now you go on to say that society must accommodate her beliefs, because they are dressed up and called a religion, and the whole point here was that she knew, upfront, what the requirements were, but chose to ignore that, and demand the requirements be changed, to suit HER BELIEFS.
It is great that secular society is standing up to crazy religious beliefs
,

Thank you for that moz.

Quote:

....we do not want your beliefs imposing themselves onto the rest of us, and if you do not like that, stay out of secular society, isolate yourselves even further, and you can keep your silly club rules, because we do not want to know about them, let alone be coerced into accepting them.

What next, a voodoo dentist demanding the right to bite a chooks head off at the start of each appointment, if it suits his beliefs?

It is high time that muslims began respecting the beliefs and customs of the socieities they choose to come and live in,
you know the ones, SECULAR societies.
We like them that way, so keep your beliefs in your church, and your homes, when you are mixing in a secular society, then accept it's beliefs, especially the belief that they do not have to accommodate every whacked out belief of every whacked out religious extremist.

"...It is high time that muslims began respecting the beliefs and customs of the societies they choose to come and live in,..."

abu,

People in the world today, choose to migrate for many and varied reasons.

Very often the reason for migration to another country, is an 'economic' one.

But sometimes the reason for migration can be a 'cultural' reason.

And i would suggest, that if this moslem woman, living in Sweden, feels that she is being 'discriminated' against [because she is required to respect and obey the laws and customs of her country of residence], then she [and / or, her family] has an option open to every one of us.
....

i.e.
She could choose, to migrate to a country which more nearly, practices her cultural beliefs.

If such people ['good' moslems], find our laws and customs, and freedoms, 'offensive', they can choose to migrate to a moslem 'paradise'.

Countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Somalia, come to mind.

There must be at least one, friendly, welcoming, moslem country which she would rather live in, which would accept her?

After all, the supposed hospitality of the moslem culture is legend!

abu,

When non-moslems must travel to, and live in, moslem countries, THEY,
are expected to respect local laws and customs.

Q.
Why can't the hypocritical moslems
be expected to apply the same 'sensitivity' and 'reasonableness', when moslems travel to, and live in, non-moslem, secular countries???

A.
Because ALL good moslems are cultural BIGOTS, and raging HYPOCRITES!

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hypocrisy = = the practice of claiming to have higher standards or beliefs than is the case.

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Reply #13 - Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 1:05pm

so mozza, let's assume you have some kind of morals/principles. And you want to go for a job, and they want you to compromise them... you offer a solution which could quite easily satisfy both sides, and they reject. Is that fair? Are you trying to force your beliefs on them? Not really, you just want your job to not ask you to compromise your principles. Is that really so horrible of her?

My guess is you, like most others here, are viewing this with the specific religion of that girl in mind. Your disdain for Islam is what's driving your arrogrant approach.

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Reply #14 - Dec 3^rd, 2009 at 1:09pm

How do you know she's an immigrant? Like me, she may well be a native who converted to Islam. The constant attempts to paint all issues with Muslims in terms of immigrants coming to force their foreign ways onto a host nation which so graciously offers them refuge are just ridiculous really. They indicate you've really got no decent argument worth expounding upon, so you attach it to the old "immigrants are swamping us" one.

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