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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41798 Gender:	Aboriginal culture Nov 14^th, 2009 at 6:04pm After 40,000 years they have discovered hand paintings.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Aboriginal culture Reply #1 - Nov 15^th, 2009 at 11:37am
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41798 Gender:	Re: Aboriginal culture Reply #2 - Nov 15^th, 2009 at 6:10pm that piccie looks great muso. what cave was it drawn 100's of years ago? No, it is on a canvas, using western methods. I see. here is genuine aboriginal "art"
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Reply #3 - Nov 16^th, 2009 at 8:15am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 15^th, 2009 at 6:10pm:

that piccie looks great muso.
what cave was it drawn 100's of years ago?
No, it is on a canvas, using western methods. I see.

here is genuine aboriginal "art"

http://www.aaia.com.au/symbol1.gif

You want cave paintings?

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/bradshaws/gallery.php

Some of the Bradshaw paintings predate and rival the Aurignacian cave paintings of Southern France.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Aboriginal culture Reply #4 - Nov 16^th, 2009 at 8:18am From Kakadu National Park.
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Reply #5 - Nov 16^th, 2009 at 8:27am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 15^th, 2009 at 6:10pm:

that piccie looks great muso.
what cave was it drawn 100's of years ago?
No, it is on a canvas, using western methods. I see.

here is genuine aboriginal "art"

http://www.aaia.com.au/symbol1.gif

Yes - those are two of the traditional symbols associated with desert art. I've seen some examples at Yuendumu.

They have an Art Gallery there, which I've also visited. It's a multimillion dollar industry.

Some desert art can be very impressive too.

I'm glad you started this discussion on Aboriginal Art. What styles of Aboriginal Art do you prefer?

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Reply #6 - Nov 16^th, 2009 at 9:21am

I'm fascinated by desert Aboriginal art. I have bought a few great pieces myself over the years. If you can decipher the symbols, an authentic painting reads like a book.

A common theme with women artists is the 'Seven Sisters Dreaming', but each tribe and artist has their own take on describing the story.

Muso, those "U" shapes can symbolise men. They appear to be facing away from each other... Is the story about a conflict?

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41798 Gender:	Re: Aboriginal culture Reply #7 - Nov 16^th, 2009 at 10:02am muso - not a problem I have done a dot drawing too, it's fun. Does not compare to Rubens art or the like, but there you go.
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Reply #8 - Nov 16^th, 2009 at 10:10am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 16^th, 2009 at 10:02am:

muso - not a problem

I have done a dot drawing too, it's fun.

Does not compare to Rubens art or the like, but there you go.

You are funny sometimes Sprintcyclist. Anyone would think that you believe the aborigines are an inferior race.

Aboriginal culture before we came along was fascinating. I don't know much about their art and what it represents, but some of their modern work is attractive and colourful and worth a fortune.

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Reply #9 - Nov 16^th, 2009 at 10:24am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 16^th, 2009 at 10:02am:

muso - not a problem

I have done a dot drawing too, it's fun.

Does not compare to Rubens art or the like, but there you go.

Let me guess - you don't understand art, but you know what you like? Grin

How many thousands of dollars did you sell yours for, Sprint? Some Aboriginal Artists generally take between $2,000 and $10,000 for each work of art.

Some Queenie McKenzie works have sold for over $100,000. This is usually the case when the artist is dead, unfortunately.

Helian, the semicircles in that previous painting represent sandhills. The symbology varies a bit between communities, but generally a U shape is a woman or a seated man. A man is a sausage shape and a child is a blob.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41798 Gender:	Re: Aboriginal culture Reply #10 - Nov 16^th, 2009 at 10:59am tx mantra muso - i like michelangelo, van Gogh, dislike picasso. my art is not prostituted. they have been done for people and given away to same. "a man is a sausage (unless he is erect) and a child a blob.!!!!!" preschoolers are more artistic.
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Reply #11 - Nov 16^th, 2009 at 11:51am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 16^th, 2009 at 10:59am:

tx mantra

muso - i like michelangelo, van Gogh, dislike picasso.

my art is not prostituted. they have been done for people and given away to same.

"a man is a sausage (unless he is erect) and a child a blob.!!!!!"
preschoolers are more artistic.

Aboriginal art is the written language of the people... If you can't (or don't) interpret the symbols, you can't fully appreciate the art.

Dali proved that with his 'paranoiac-critical' method.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41798 Gender:	Re: Aboriginal culture Reply #12 - Nov 16^th, 2009 at 1:03pm helian - seems they can't interperet thier own symbols then. Quote: .......but each tribe and artist has their own take on describing the story...... some people used to interperet chickens intestines thrown onto sand. did not make that "art"
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Reply #13 - Nov 16^th, 2009 at 1:59pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 16^th, 2009 at 1:03pm:

helian - seems they can't interperet thier own symbols then.
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.......but each tribe and artist has their own take on describing the story......

some people used to interperet chickens intestines thrown onto sand.
did not make that "art"

You're comparing shamanism, necromancy and divination with aboriginal art.

Traditional Aboriginal art is about transmitting information such as the location and proximity of food and water resources or tribal law or important cultural myths and legends in the same way that European written languages transmit the same information to those who can read and interpret the script in which it is written.

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Reply #14 - Nov 16^th, 2009 at 3:13pm

muso wrote on Nov 16^th, 2009 at 10:24am:

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Helian, the semicircles in that previous painting represent sandhills. The symbology varies a bit between communities, but generally a U shape is a woman or a seated man. A man is a sausage shape and a child is a blob.

OK... Yes I've been told each community has its own symbols known only to its members, while many symbols are common to many communities. Not unlike the dialect differences within, say, Italian and German.

The first Aboriginal painting I bought years ago was a 'Seven Sisters Dreaming' interpretation which was a fantastic piece of art in its own right. Then the symbols were explained to me and the painting came to life.

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