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Reply #90 - Oct 13^th, 2009 at 12:02pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 13^th, 2009 at 11:50am:

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ANd there is no racism towards anyone who can take responsibility for his own life, his children's welfare, washes, holds down a job and has no despicable notions of his own cultural exceptionalism. And can speak intelligibly.

The fact you think those things make racism ok is quite disturbing soren.

I said no such thing. I said that if you fit in and take responsibility for yourself and your family, nobody cares about your hue. Australia has had multiracial immigration for decades now and its under 40 age group is as diverse as that immigration program. ANd they all speak with the same accent, intermarry, they all went to school together. They have grown up in a meritocracy.

Some people are racist. SO what. There is no institutional or cultural racism in this country. Hating uppity foreigners is not racism, 'uppity' being the operative word.

There are certain minimum standards in this society that need to be met in order to enjoy its hospitality. This is common sense.
Meet those minima and you'll be fine. Transgress or ignore them and people will let you know.

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Reply #91 - Oct 13^th, 2009 at 1:37pm

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if you fit in and take responsibility for yourself and your family, nobody cares about your hue.

This is just nonsense.

A lot of the racial abuse suffered by people here in Australia is anonymous drunks screaming things out of car windows, or intimidating ladies of ethnic background in secluded car parks and the like. And it's therefore got nothing to do with taking responsibility or actually anything you do. It's mostly random. This is especially true for anyone who has a very visibly different appearance to anglo-aussies, like Asians, which is probably why fakir perceived the country as so racist.

Both cases of racial abuse I've encountered were by louts screaming things from afar. They are usually cowards who run a mile as soon as you look in their direction. I remember one night doing some late night shopping not long after 9/11, and I was wearing a salwar kameez when some drunken idiot screamed something out to me from the other side of the car park. I didn't understand his slurred speech so I asked him to repeat it, to which I clearly heard "Do you support the Talibaan?". I immediately began running towards him screaming "I am the Talibaaan!!!!" The pathetic coward dropped his beer bottle and bolted, faster than lightening Grin

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Reply #92 - Oct 13^th, 2009 at 2:58pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 13^th, 2009 at 1:37pm:

A lot of the racial abuse suffered by people here in Australia is anonymous drunks screaming things out of car windows, or intimidating ladies of ethnic background ...

I overheard an example of that on a flight recently. This guy in his late 50's or early 60's (hair died ginger) came on to the flight with a very nice looking asian woman who didn't look old enough to be his daughter. She looked like a princess.

While drinking my coffee, I overheard him say to her "Of course you know what Australians would call you? - Ugly scary lady"

- And my blood boiled. I restrained myself from turning around and saying "You ignorant bastard - you don't deserve such a beautiful wife"

They'd probably call him 'mutton dressed up as lamb' for that matter.

It's a form of racism. It was probably fueled by a sense of insecurity on his part, but he obviously felt it was acceptable to say that to the woman, because she was Asian.

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Reply #94 - Oct 13^th, 2009 at 7:53pm

Sure sprint was incorrect in his analysis of your responses here Abu, but I do not think he is racist. I think he is "religionist", in that he believes his religion is naturally superior to all others, despite any evidence to validate those beliefs, but we could probably label devout followers of any faith, with the same thing.

We see a lot of nonsense about racism, and it is often not a persons skin colouring, or ethnic background, which motivated people to hold derogatory opinions about others, it is more to do with behaviours that these people display, that they consider distasteful, or unacceptable.

Is Fakir labelling aussies as racist an act of racism?
Of course you can see the nonsense in this idea, it is the behaviour, that he perceives as offensive that he objects to, however ascribing that behaviour as a national trait is where the lines get blurred.

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Reply #95 - Oct 13^th, 2009 at 8:21pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 13^th, 2009 at 1:37pm:

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if you fit in and take responsibility for yourself and your family, nobody cares about your hue.

This is just nonsense.

A lot of the racial abuse suffered by people here in Australia is anonymous drunks screaming things out of car windows, or intimidating ladies of ethnic background in secluded car parks and the like. And it's therefore got nothing to do with taking responsibility or actually anything you do. It's mostly random. This is especially true for anyone who has a very visibly different appearance to anglo-aussies, like Asians, which is probably why fakir perceived the country as so racist.

Both cases of racial abuse I've encountered were by louts screaming things from afar. They are usually cowards who run a mile as soon as you look in their direction. I remember one night doing some late night shopping not long after 9/11, and I was wearing a salwar kameez when some drunken idiot screamed something out to me from the other side of the car park. I didn't understand his slurred speech so I asked him to repeat it, to which I clearly heard "Do you support the Talibaan?". I immediately began running towards him screaming "I am the Talibaaan!!!!" The pathetic coward dropped his beer bottle and bolted, faster than lightening Grin

Dare you to walk down Haldon Street in Lakemba in a "Zionists Rule!" t-shirt.

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Re: Australian Racism continues to rear its head Oct09
Reply #96 - Oct 13^th, 2009 at 9:02pm

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Sure sprint was incorrect in his analysis of your responses here Abu, but I do not think he is racist. I think he is "religionist",

Check out his statements about "coffee people" in the "Would you marry someone of an opposing race" thread. He's made it quite clear several times that he's racist. It's nothing to do with his religion.

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Dare you to walk down Haldon Street in Lakemba in a "Zionists Rule!" t-shirt.

You are kidding right? You're more stupid than I first thought.

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Reply #97 - Oct 13^th, 2009 at 9:06pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 13^th, 2009 at 9:02pm:

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Dare you to walk down Haldon Street in Lakemba in a "Zionists Rule!" t-shirt.

You are kidding right? You're more stupid than I first thought.

What, are you chicken? Or you don't have faith in your coreligionists impeccable peacefulness? They wouldn't hurl abuse at someone just because of what he is wearing, would they? Or throw rocks at him just because of his clothes?

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Australian Racism continues to rear its head Oct09 Reply #98 - Oct 13^th, 2009 at 9:17pm No because I'd be disgusted by the thought of wearing such a despicable political ideology. Likewise I wouldn't walk through Vaucluse with a "Nazis rule" t-shirt... The important point is though, what on earth has this got to do with racial abuse?
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Reply #99 - Oct 13^th, 2009 at 9:23pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 13^th, 2009 at 9:17pm:

No because I'd be disgusted by the thought of wearing such a despicable political ideology. Likewise I wouldn't walk through Vaucluse with a "Nazis rule" t-shirt...

The important point is though, what on earth has this got to do with racial abuse?

People might not like to see Taliban lookalikes walking around soon after 9/11 - despicable ideology and all that. Not to mention that it's a bit - what's the word? - insensitive, don't you think? Or do you think sensitivity is one way only?

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Reply #100 - Oct 13^th, 2009 at 9:25pm

soren, your analogy is way off.

If you used the example of an orthodox Jew walking down haldon st. and being attacked for that, then I could accept your point. But a Zionist, no. Zionism has nothing to do with race, culture or ethnicity. It's purely a political ideology, and a racial supremacist one at that.

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Reply #101 - Oct 13^th, 2009 at 9:31pm

abu_rashid wrote on Oct 13^th, 2009 at 9:25pm:

soren, your analogy is way off.

If you used the example of an orthodox Jew walking down haldon st. and being attacked for that, then I could accept your point. But a Zionist, no. Zionism has nothing to do with race, culture or ethnicity. It's purely a political ideology, and a racial supremacist one at that.

Like Islam?

You'd be killed for wearing an item of clothing.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Australian Racism continues to rear its head Oct09 Reply #102 - Oct 13^th, 2009 at 9:56pm Come on don't you get tired of peddling the same garbage.... Islam is a religion, and that fact is recognised by the vast majority of the world's inhabitants. You're hanging out on the lunatic fringe my friend.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Australian Racism continues to rear its head Oct09 Reply #103 - Oct 13^th, 2009 at 10:14pm abu_rashid wrote on Oct 13^th, 2009 at 9:56pm: Come on don't you get tired of peddling the same garbage.... Look who's talking.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Australian Racism continues to rear its head Oct09 Reply #104 - Oct 13^th, 2009 at 10:18pm abu_rashid wrote on Oct 13^th, 2009 at 9:56pm: Islam is a religion Yeees, we know, religion of peace. Zzzzzzz......
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