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Australian Racism continues to rear its head Oct09 (Read 18774 times)
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Reply #45 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 7:18am
 
My wife is Asian, Fakir and I have a lot of Asian friends, they dont have any problems here, maybe its just you, maybe people just dont like you, could that be a factor.
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Reply #46 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 8:36am
 
jfk, Whilst I agree this skit was not racist and people are going overboard, you're going overboard to claim there's no racism here. There most certainly is.
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Reply #47 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 8:37am
 
fakir wrote on Oct 10th, 2009 at 4:06am:
JUST BECAUSE IT"S NOT OFFENSIVE TO YOU, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE TO SOMEONE ELSE



So what? You have the right to be offended. But that is not an argument. You are sensitive, we get it. You are entitled to say that Austeralians are not exquisitely polite. Fine. But just because you confuse t with racism does not make it true.

You speak as if th mere fact of your 'minority' status and ethnic background was somehow a moral quality. As if because of these you are infallible in your assessment of what is and is not racist. You are playing victim. But you are not one.

Your big red statement above work just as well if it i turned around:

JUST BECAUSE IT IS OFFENSIVE TO YOU, DOESN'T MEAN IT IS OFFENSIVE TO SOMEONE ELSE


Your tintedness and Asian orgins do not make you right.
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Reply #48 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 8:40am
 
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By the way, Australians are often portrayed in American and British flim as cultureless idiots, pissheads and classless swill... An unfair stereotype, but Aussies take it in their stride when its intended to be lighthearted.


Btw helian, you and a few others in this thread are making it quite clear that those stereotypes are spot on.
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Reply #49 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 9:10am
 
fakir wrote on Oct 10th, 2009 at 4:06am:

JUST BECAUSE IT"S NOT OFFENSIVE TO YOU, DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT OFFENSIVE TO SOMEONE ELSE


Precisely. In the case of this skit, it was  the reaction of Harry Connick Jnr that made it racist. Americans just don't get the humour.

The only thing to do when somebody takes offense is to apologise. Then, it's end of story.

The skit was in bad taste perhaps, but Hey Hey was built on bad taste humour. Obviously Australia is not really as receptive to bad taste humour nowadays, especially since the skit about terminally ill kids went wrong on Chaser.

I believe that the intent of this skit was not racist in any way, and to say that it shows that Australians are racist because of that is totally off the planet. American political correctness is off the planet.

Darryl Somers was obviously horrified that Connick Jr took offense, because it was just intended to be a bit of buffoonery. Besides, there was only one White Anglosaxon among the performers. One was even of Indian background. It was obviously not intended to be racist.  
To be quite honest I was more offended by the self righteous ignorant attitude of the American talk show guests "They treat their aborigines badly". How the bugger would they know?   

I have good friends of many nationalities, colours and religions. I am the least racist person I know, but even I have caused offense a few times by not thinking.

On one occasion, a Canadian guy was handing around Maple leaf badges. I made a comment  about the Marijuana leaf. I was quoting a line by John Candy from the comedy "Canadian Bacon", but the guy took offense. I explained that it was just a quote from the John Candy movie, and that I didn't mean any offense. It didn't matter that John Candy was Canadian or that it was quite a funny line, he took offense, I apologised, no fuss, and that was that.  
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Reply #50 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 9:14am
 
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The only thing to do when somebody takes offense is to apologise. Then, it's end of story.


I'm sure they get it muso, they just have to be overly politically correct because of their extensive history of lynchings, segregation and racial tensions. And because Johnny made us their little lapdog, naturally they believe we must follow their cultural sensitivities.
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Reply #51 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 9:47am
 
Im not saying there s no racism here Abu, Im saying that if you go looking for it, you will find it, you can find anything if you look for it. At my local Hungry Jacks, there used to be a mixed bag of employees until an Indian manager took over, now only Indians work there, Is that racism by them, or by me noticing it. Im sure I would be called racist for saying something  and yet where is the diversity that we must apply used there. If I only employed Aussies Im sure questions would be asked.
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Reply #52 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 10:11am
 
As has already been said here, Australia has its racism as does every other nation. But Australia has also absorbed millions of migrants from every part of the world, and been transformed by it, without social chaos.

When it comes to the blackface image, Australians are not as offended by it as are Americans, being a reminder as it probably is, of their once longtime predilection for unspeakable cruelty towards Africans.

But, having said that, I doubt you'll see the Australian comedian on national TV who paints his face to send up an Aboriginal Australian.

Comedians should takes risks... If their comedy fails and offends instead, the only way out is to apologise and move on.

And fakir, didn't Canada follow Australia's lead and apologise to its indigenous people for injustices suffered?

That's followed our lead fakir.... followed.
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Reply #53 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 10:18am
 
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I mean, I am on the verge of believing that some of you may in fact be stupid.  Think about it: why would I expect a white Australian to find blackface offensive?  Of course you don't find it damn offensive you idiot!  You're smacking white and weren't enslaved by another race!


I wouldn't expect them to find it offensive becasue I don't find it offensive when black people dress as white people.
I doubt if women get offended when a man dresses in drag. Maybe horses get offended when a human puts on a horse suit, I don't know, you'll need to ask Mr.Ed.

Imitation is the greatest form of flattery, but why would every black person associate themselves with the Jackson Five?  Are they that far up themselves that they think that they possess the talents of the Jacksons just because of their skin colour?
I'm beginning to think that you moved to Canada just to be closer to your own kind - the idiot yanks.



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Reply #54 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 10:19am
 

we are not responsible for your apologetic cowardly feelings
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Reply #55 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 10:26am
 
fakir wrote on Oct 10th, 2009 at 4:06am:
[color=#0000ff]I mean, I am on the verge of believing that some of you may in fact be stupid.  Think about it: why would I expect a white Australian to find blackface offensive?  Of course you don't find it damn offensive you idiot!  You're smacking white and weren't enslaved by another race!

Some make fun of the fact that I moved to Canada.  Well why would I have loyalty to Australia when the majority can't even bring themselves to call me an "Australian".  No, I'm an "Asian", I'm a "ching chong Chinaman", I'm everything else except an "Australian".

Fakir, you're damaged, disingenuous and weak.
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Reply #56 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 11:37am
 
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But, having said that, I doubt you'll see the Australian comedian on national TV who paints his face to send up an Aboriginal Australian.


I think you're right the Helian, but the difference being that it would be OK to parody an aboriginal of great note if it had nothing to do with aboriginals as a whole.

I once had a Turkish friend who ran an aboriginals arts shop and he could probably pass as having an aboriginal background if he told you so.
I said to him "You tell the tourists that your aboriginal don't you?" He said, "No, but I don't tell them I'm not".


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Reply #57 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 1:05pm
 
Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize should do some good for race relations, although it seems very premature. He'll have a lot to live up to.

Just having a black President (although he's half white) - is closing the racist divide you would assume.
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Reply #58 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 8:41pm
 
Obama winning the Nobel peace prize is an absolute joke, tell me that has nothing to do with race. Apparently he was nominated within the first two weeks of office, all he did was buy a dog at that stage. He has done nothing.
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Reply #59 - Oct 10th, 2009 at 9:17pm
 

it was a award given based on obamas race.

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