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Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS
Oct 1^st, 2009 at 2:02pm

It's about time he got the Libs aligned on this. (or attempted)

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Mr Turnbull this morning indicated he was willing to put his leadership on the line over climate change, saying he is not prepared to lead a party not equally as committed.

He wants the right to negotiate with the Government on its carbon trading scheme, but his willingness has been criticised by some less-than-enthusiastic backbenchers.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26150984-5003402,00.html

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS Reply #1 - Oct 1^st, 2009 at 2:40pm Just when the whole scam is collapsing. Not very savvy. How the global warming industry is based on one MASSIVE lie http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100011716/how-the-global-warmi...
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 42354 Gender:	Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS Reply #2 - Oct 1^st, 2009 at 2:55pm what is malcolms stance the suggested tax on air (carbon trading) ?
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Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS
Reply #3 - Oct 1^st, 2009 at 3:16pm

Soren wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 2:40pm:

Just when the whole scam is collapsing. Not very savvy.

How the global warming industry is based on one MASSIVE lie

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100011716/how-the-global-warmi...

Damn! Sucked in yet again. Oh well, I'll just abandon the laws of physics and all my common sense. If a Daily Telegraph journalist says so, it must be true. Grin

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS Reply #4 - Oct 1^st, 2009 at 3:19pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 2:55pm: what is malcolms stance the suggested tax on air (carbon trading) ? He obviously supports it, albeit in an amended form from Rudd's legislation. I would have no problem with a carbon tax approach.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 42354 Gender:	Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS Reply #5 - Oct 1^st, 2009 at 3:31pm muso - i have a problem with a carbon tax. if mal is ok with it he has lost my support on that one still, that won't give him many sleepless nights.
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Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS
Reply #6 - Oct 1^st, 2009 at 3:36pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 3:31pm:

muso - i have a problem with a carbon tax.
if mal is ok with it he has lost my support on that one
still, that won't give him many sleepless nights.

Do you have a problem with paying for your garbage removal too?

You might have seen these before. I think he has a good point:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/18/2495308.htm
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25907855-5013871,00.html

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 42354 Gender:	Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS Reply #7 - Oct 1^st, 2009 at 3:50pm i think a carbon tax will be totally ineffective for the environment.
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Happy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 559	Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS Reply #8 - Oct 1^st, 2009 at 6:40pm We have to start somewhere, but jumping in front orchestra might prove too difficult to withstand the cost.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS Reply #9 - Oct 1^st, 2009 at 7:41pm Interesting tactic... he's been pretty useless as leader anyway. Maybe its time the Nats took the lead.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 42354 Gender:	Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS Reply #10 - Oct 1^st, 2009 at 9:55pm happy - every other country that has signed up to kyoto hashad to pay HUGE fines. with not even the possibility of 'cooling the planet" i've rarely heard such a load of tripe.
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Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS
Reply #11 - Oct 1^st, 2009 at 9:58pm

muso wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 3:16pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 2:40pm:

Just when the whole scam is collapsing. Not very savvy.

How the global warming industry is based on one MASSIVE lie

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100011716/how-the-global-warmi...

Damn! Sucked in yet again. Oh well, I'll just abandon the laws of physics and all my common sense. If a Daily Telegraph journalist says so, it must be true. Grin

Have a look at the graph at Climate Audit (which broke the story and has been so inundated with hits that its server was almost overwhelmed) and see for yourself.

http://www.climateaudit.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/rcs_chronologies_rev2.gif

The scary red line shooting upwards is the one Al Gore, Michael Mann, Keith Briffa and their climate-fear-promotion chums would like you to believe in. The black one, heading downwards, represents scientific reality.

We “Global Warming Deniers” are often accused of ignoring the weight of scientific opinion. Well if the “science” on which they base their theories is as shoddy as Mann’s Hockey Stick, is it any wonder we think they’re talking cobblers?

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northy New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 49 Gender:	Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS Reply #12 - Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 1:40am Grendel wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 7:41pm: Interesting tactic... he's been pretty useless as leader anyway. Maybe its time the Nats took the lead. Yep. Truss seems to be a decent fellow and Barnaby is a refreshing, straight shooter. Can't see it happening though. Northy.
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Reply #13 - Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 8:45am

northy wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 1:40am:

Grendel wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 7:41pm:

Interesting tactic... he's been pretty useless as leader anyway.
Maybe its time the Nats took the lead.

Yep.

Truss seems to be a decent fellow and Barnaby is a refreshing, straight shooter.

Can't see it happening though.

Northy.

Well if the Libs continue on their merry road to nowhere the Nats could well be the senior member of the coalition in the not too distant future.
Good on ya for knowing Truss is the leader Northy, a survey done on the streets a couple of weeks ago had over 80% of people thinking it was Barny.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 42354 Gender:	Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS Reply #14 - Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 9:02am as turnbull will not 100% oppose labors ETS i want him fired.
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Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS
Reply #15 - Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 9:08am

Soren wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 9:58pm:

muso wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 3:16pm:

Soren wrote on Oct 1^st, 2009 at 2:40pm:

Just when the whole scam is collapsing. Not very savvy.

How the global warming industry is based on one MASSIVE lie

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100011716/how-the-global-warmi...

Damn! Sucked in yet again. Oh well, I'll just abandon the laws of physics and all my common sense. If a Daily Telegraph journalist says so, it must be true. Grin

Have a look at the graph at Climate Audit (which broke the story and has been so inundated with hits that its server was almost overwhelmed) and see for yourself.

http://www.climateaudit.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/rcs_chronologies_rev2.gif

The scary red line shooting upwards is the one Al Gore, Michael Mann, Keith Briffa and their climate-fear-promotion chums would like you to believe in. The black one, heading downwards, represents scientific reality.

We “Global Warming Deniers” are often accused of ignoring the weight of scientific opinion. Well if the “science” on which they base their theories is as shoddy as Mann’s Hockey Stick, is it any wonder we think they’re talking cobblers?

Climate Audit is a joke. I can't believe they are going on about the so-called Hockey stick graph after so many years. They used invalid data then, and there has been many more studies done since then. It is so lame that they continue to spread the same lies.

I've already explained the reasoning behind that particular furfie of McIntyre's in previous posts. What is it about the phrase "lying through his teeth" that you don't understand?

This should explain it in simple layman's language:

http://www.desmogblog.com/amazing-it-seem-we-still-have-shoot-down-medieval-warm...

Look, 911 conspiracy theorists periodically announce victory, so why should climate change conspiracy theorists be any different?

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Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS
Reply #16 - Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 9:14am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 9:02am:

as turnbull will not 100% oppose labors ETS i want him fired.

Malcolm Turnbull might not be as bookish as Kevin Rudd, but he has considerable business acumen and for a politician, he's a very decent bloke.

What a pity he joined the wrong political party.

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skippy Ex Member	Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS Reply #17 - Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 9:17am Quote: What is it about the phrase "lying through his teeth" that you don't understand? This should explain it in simple layman's language: They know muso, it just dosn't suit their purpose to admit it, even a retard wouldn't question climate change nowdays.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 42354 Gender:	Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS Reply #18 - Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 9:26am i question climate changes cause.
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Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS
Reply #19 - Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 9:40am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 9:26am:

i question climate changes cause.

We've been through that many times. Refer to the sticky posts at the top. If there is anything I haven't explained well enough, let me know.

Bear in mind that it's just a simplified explanation - it's not the basis of the science. It's not all based on temperature rise, and it's not all based on climate models either.

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skippy Ex Member	Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS Reply #20 - Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 9:53am Sprintcyclist wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 9:26am: i question climate changes cause. We make allowances for you sprint, you are a Kiwi.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 42354 Gender:	Re: Opposition Leader threatens to resign over ETS Reply #21 - Oct 2^nd, 2009 at 10:36am thanks skippy. knew i could trust you
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