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abu_rashid

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Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Reply #15 - Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 11:16am

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But you judge a persons religion, based upon their name?

Seems to be the modus operandi around here. So I'm just trying to 'integrate' into the way things are done here.

Don't you see a bit of a contradiction though Yadda, that in this case, you discount the possiblity of even considering the religious convictions of those reported about in the media merely based on their names. Yet in countless other threads, you've condemned all Muslims based on the name of someone reported about in the media....

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Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Reply #16 - Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 11:32am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 11:16am:

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But you judge a persons religion, based upon their name?

Oh! Is that so abu???

On that point, your argument, i refer you to what soren has already stated earlier in this thread...

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"...The point for me, always, is that when Muslims do bad things they also do it very often (but not always) as muslims, as followers of Mohammed. Rioting, intimidation, cheating, assault are in this category. When they do very, very bad things, when they mass murder civilians, they always do these acts according to their understanding of islam."

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1253594212/8#8

And that is the essential difference between 'Christian' miscreants, and moslems.

When moslems murder, they [often] do it in the name of their god, Allah, and proudly cry out,

"Allah Akbar!!!"

Examples....

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Whereas, when [nominal] 'Christians' murder, they will try to hide, and deny the act.

And they, rarely, and almost never, connect such deeds to their nominal faith.

i.e. When nominal 'Christians' murder, they understand that their action was WRONG.

Not so, moslems.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Reply #17 - Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 1:10pm

What you're describing Yadda is probably more related to the fact that many more Christians are 'nominal' Christians than Muslims are 'nominal' Muslims.

Dictionary,
nominal = = being such in name only; so-called;

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Whereas, when [nominal] 'Christians' murder, they will try to hide, and deny the act.

Plenty of fervantly practising Christians have murdered and proudly considered it part of their faith. Not to mention hijacked planes (recently in Mexico), bombed abortion clinics, bombed the Olympics (Atlanta), bombed entire buildings to the ground (Oklahoma)...

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And they, rarely, and almost never, connect such deeds to their nominal faith.

Neither do nominal Muslims.

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i.e. When nominal 'Christians' murder, they understand that their action was WRONG.
Not so, moslems.

Most people who murder don't consider themselves to be wrong, Muslim or Christian.

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Re: Muslim student killed by racists
Reply #18 - Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 3:17pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 1:10pm:

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And they [nominal Christians], rarely, and almost never, connect such deeds [i.e. violence, hatred, etc] to their nominal faith.

Neither do nominal Muslims.

But good moslems do connect such deeds [i.e. violence, hatred, etc] to their faith.!!!

The Koran itself, instructs moslems, that violence against non-moslems is prescribed
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...because they are not moslems.

"Fighting [against non-moslems] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/...
[i.e.... fighting the non-moslems, to bring Allah's way, is an obligation upon all good moslems.]

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/...

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/...i
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i.e. When nominal 'Christians' murder, they understand that their action was WRONG.
Not so, moslems.

Most people who murder don't consider themselves to be wrong, Muslim or Christian.

abu,

The truth is, that almost all moslems, and every good moslem is/are religious bigots.

Whereas, almost all Christians, are NOT religious bigots.

Why would i make such a accusation?

Moslems are religious bigots, because ISLAM requires a good moslem to be intolerant of Christians, and other non-moslems,
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BECAUSE THE ARE NOT MOSLEMS.

Whereas, when Christians express religious bigotry, and rail against moslems and their faith,
.....it is because Christians have come to understand that the moslems themselves are religious bigots, because ISLAM requires a good moslem to be intolerant of Christians, and other non-moslems,
....
BECAUSE THE ARE NOT MOSLEMS.

To sum up this point.....

Christianity does not require Christians to be religious bigots.

But ISLAM does
require moslems to be religious bigots.

Moslems are instructed by ISLAM, that it is OK, 'legitimate', for a moslem to murder persons who reject ISLAM, and its authority over their lives.

Christianity makes no such determination, concerning Christianity.

Justification for killing of non-muslims, stated within ISLAMIC law texts....

Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."....

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/law/fiqhussunnah/fus3_50.html#3.110

Parraphrasing the meaning...

"Whoever.....becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

« Last Edit: Sep 23^rd, 2009 at 3:33pm by Yadda »

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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