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abu_rashid

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Sep 1^st, 2009 at 10:09pm

I've noticed a striking similarity here between what I term the overt white supremos, and the covert ones.

Those who openly announce their racist white supremacist ideology continually argue that Blacks and other non-Whites are defective, evil, criminal, barbaric etc. because of their blackness (or non-whiteness). Every single thing a black does, relates back to his race. Whilst anything a white does wrong is because he's individually a bad person. It has absolutely no reflection on his race whatsoever. The white race remains unblemished, pure, pristine and unspoiled by the wicked actions of one single individual white, who has apparently betrayed the purity of his race. Whilst on the other hand, every single black who errs has exemplified the failings and deficiencies of his race.

Nowadays it's become politically incorrect to be so overtly racist. The anti-Semites, the Xenophobes, the White Supremos have been mostly forced underground. But deep inside some people, we see the urge to act on such despicable beliefs bursting through the seams. No matter how hard they try to control their sick and twisted hatred and disdain for others of a different ethnic background, it always manages to seep out one way or another. Lucky for them, it's currently in vogue to bash Islam. And aren't they thrilled about it? All of a sudden their anti-Semitic, xenophobic, racist tendancies are given a little legitimacy, so long as they restrict it to Muslims/Islam/Arabs.

And we see the exact same one-eyed view of "us & them" coming out in these covert white supremos. Every single thing a Muslim does is the fault of Islam. Every little crime, misdeed, mistake, wrong turn is directly linked back to their Islamic identity. They did it because they're a Muslim. Whilst on the other hand, Jews, Christians, Hindus, whoever, anyone except Muslims, are purely judged on an individual basis. If a Christian commits genocide, he's a bad man, and should be judged so, INDIVIDUALLY, if Christians or Jews gang rape, rob, bash, trash, riot, invade villages, trash farms and houses, etc. it's all purely co-incidental, and they are just bad individuals, who just happen to be Christians/Jews/Whatever, and their behaviour is no reflection whatsoever on Christianity/Judaism/Whatever AT ALL!!

Quite an interesting observation I think...

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Reply #1 - Sep 1^st, 2009 at 10:14pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 1^st, 2009 at 10:09pm:

I've noticed a striking similarity here between what I term the overt white supremos, and the covert ones.

Those who openly announce their racist white supremacist ideology continually argue that Blacks and other non-Whites are defective, evil, criminal, barbaric etc. because of their blackness (or non-whiteness). Every single thing a black does, relates back to his race. Whilst anything a white does wrong is because he's individually a bad person. It has absolutely no reflection on his race whatsoever. The white race remains unblemished, pure, pristine and unspoiled by the wicked actions of one single individual white, who has apparently betrayed the purity of his race. Whilst on the other hand, every single black who errs has exemplified the failings and deficiencies of his race.

Nowadays it's become politically incorrect to be so overtly racist. The anti-Semites, the Xenophobes, the White Supremos have been mostly forced underground. But deep inside some people, we see the urge to act on such despicable beliefs bursting through the seams. No matter how hard they try to control their sick and twisted hatred and disdain for others of a different ethnic background, it always manages to seep out one way or another. Lucky for them, it's currently in vogue to bash Islam. And aren't they thrilled about it? All of a sudden their anti-Semitic, xenophobic, racist tendancies are given a little legitimacy, so long as they restrict it to Muslims/Islam/Arabs.

And we see the exact same one-eyed view of "us & them" coming out in these covert white supremos. Every single thing a Muslim does is the fault of Islam. Every little crime, misdeed, mistake, wrong turn is directly linked back to their Islamic identity. They did it because they're a Muslim. Whilst on the other hand, Jews, Christians, Hindus, whoever, anyone except Muslims, are purely judged on an individual basis. If a Christian commits genocide, he's a bad man, and should be judged so, INDIVIDUALLY, if Christians or Jews gang rape, rob, bash, trash, riot, invade villages, trash farms and houses, etc. it's all purely co-incidental, and they are just bad individuals, who just happen to be Christians/Jews/Whatever, and their behaviour is no reflection whatsoever on Christianity/Judaism/Whatever AT ALL!!

Quite an interesting observation I think...

This would make eminent sense if you did not always insist that Islam has no influence whatsoever on what a Muslim does if he does a bad thing.

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Reply #2 - Sep 1^st, 2009 at 10:24pm

Soren, Humans are humans. The effect their religious beliefs have on their actions varies from individual to individual. Although Muslims are far more practising of their religion than others, that doesn't necessarily mean that the failings and misdeeds of Muslims are consistently the fault of Islam, whilst the failings and misdeeds of others have no relation to their religious belief.

In fact it would tend to indicate the opposite is true, because the more practising of a religion an individual is, the further away from it he must go before committing the misdeed which is quite clearly contrary to his religious beliefs. Whilst a person who is more secularised, or less practising of their religion doesn't have to stray far from their religious beliefs to commit something which contradicts them.

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Reply #3 - Sep 1^st, 2009 at 10:38pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 1^st, 2009 at 10:24pm:

that doesn't necessarily mean that the failings and misdeeds of Muslims are consistently the fault of Islam

Indeed. But it cannot be said thet the actions of Muslims who say they are acting as Muslims can be believed only if they do good and should be ignored or excused if they do bad.

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In fact it would tend to indicate the opposite is true, because the more practising of a religion an individual is, the further away from it he must go before committing the misdeed which is quite clearly contrary to his religious beliefs. Whilst a people who are more secularised, or less practising of their religion doesn't have to stray far from his religious beliefs to commit something which contradicts them.

This implies that a pious mulsim is closer to the angels than anyone else. But this implication is not bought by anyone but Muslims.

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Indeed. But it cannot be said thet the actions of Muslims who say they are acting as Muslims can be believed only if they do good and should be ignored or excused if they do bad.

The default classification seems to be "religiously motivated action" or at the very least an action which can squarely be blamed on their Islam. The person ceases to exist in your mind, just his Islamic identity. And you proved this quite nicely in a recent thread soren, where you insisted that "Leb style" must explicity refer to Muslimness, when quite clearly it doesn't have anything to do with Islam, except to someone who views "them" as all Muslims. The same kind of simple and narrow mind that defaced and vandalised a Maronite Christian Church in Lakemba with racist anti-Muslim graffiti...

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This implies that a pious mulsim is closer to the angels than anyone else. But this implication is not bought by anyone but Muslims.

Not closer to the angels, but closer to the dictates/implementation of his religious beliefs.

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Reply #5 - Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 12:01am

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 1^st, 2009 at 10:56pm:

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Indeed. But it cannot be said thet the actions of Muslims who say they are acting as Muslims can be believed only if they do good and should be ignored or excused if they do bad.

The default classification seems to be "religiously motivated action" or at the very least an action which can squarely be blamed on their Islam. The person ceases to exist in your mind, just his Islamic identity. And you proved this quite nicely in a recent thread soren, where you insisted that "Leb style" must explicity refer to Muslimness, when quite clearly it doesn't have anything to do with Islam, except to someone who views "them" as all Muslims. The same kind of simple and narrow mind that defaced and vandalised a Maronite Christian Church in Lakemba with racist anti-Muslim graffiti...

They meant their Lebanese Muslim identity, not merely the their national origin. This stain on them has been proven in court, no matter how you try to wash it off them. Their Muslim identity was central to these men. Same with the Khan brothers and many, many other Muslim criminals in western countries. Some may be straying but very many are deliberately using the religious identity ruse, even in court. The Somalis would not stand in court on religious grounds. Trad was condemned as a racist, lying bastard both in his personal and his spokesthingy capacity. His Muslim identity is his bread and butter. And he has been around for yonks, he is not a suddent popper-upper.

I do not think and do not argue that Muslims do not bear full responsibility for their actions or that the confession of islam turns them into automatons who will invariably do only bad.

But the confession of Islam allows very many of them to concieve of the world and their place in it in a manner that excuses their bad behaviour in their minds, gives them ideas that will make them blind to the wrong they are doing and exposes them to teachers and demagogues who have vicious and unacceptable views on a whole host of things. These vicious demagogues and their followers will intimidate most of the mild and meek ones into going along silently.

Now, if they all stayed in one corner of the world we could wring our hands from afar about their inhumanity to each other. But when we find them in our midst and they are openly working on turning us into something like themselves - well, then the limit has been well and truly passed and Islam's dangerous influence is on the menu, whether you like it or not. Muslim, out of fear or out of opportunisms, have not done enough to ostrasize the foul elements among themselves and now, after years of seeing the kind of excusing you are so good at, all muslims or nearly all, are tainted with the same foul stuff.

Each individual Muslim deserves the benefit of the doubt in each new encounter but as the years go by, that doubt is diminishing rapidly.

The anti-muslim graffiti and vandalism on a Marionite church is indeed idiotic and dangerously so. Also on a mosque (only very slightly less idiotic and equally dangerous). You won't have any arguments or defences from me on that.

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They meant their Lebanese Muslim identity, not merely the their national origin.

How nice of you to interpret that for them. I'm sorry, but Leb means Leb, and Muslim means Muslim. People should say what they mean, and should also be taken for what they say, not what you suppose they mean.

When Lebs speaks of being Leb, I've never heard them limit it to Muslim Lebanese, likewise I've never heard them say it in a sense that would include non-Lebanese Muslims. But anyway, this little demonstration is simply here to bolster my point, that you are a living breathing example of this kind of thought process.

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The Somalis would not stand in court on religious grounds.

And Jehovah's Witnesses refuse to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance in the U.S, on religious grounds... and your point is? Does that have anything to do with your religion? Since both you and they are Christians? Some people also refuse to stand on secular grounds if you want to take that road as well.

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The anti-muslim graffiti and vandalism on a Marionite church is indeed idiotic and dangerously so. Also on a mosque (only very slightly less idiotic and equally dangerous). You won't have any arguments or defences from me on that.

The kind of thinking you expressed throughout your last post, albeit in a rawer form, is what leads to such actions.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41838 Gender:	Re: Interesting observation Reply #7 - Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 8:18am All this coming from a muslim who gives tacit approval for the taliban and worships an assassainating paedophile.
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Happy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 559	Re: Interesting observation Reply #8 - Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 11:32am Quote: This would make eminent sense if you did not always insist that Islam has no influence whatsoever on what a Muslim does if he does a bad thing. Could not say that better myself.
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Reply #9 - Sep 2^nd, 2009 at 11:56am

Moslem, when conversing with a non-moslem, he [almost always] speak with fork' tongue.

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Reply #10 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 1:31pm

Here are some interesting obervations :

Widespread Support for Harsh Laws
More than four-in-ten Pakistanis see a struggle taking place between Islamic fundamentalists and groups that want to modernize the country; and the vast majority of those who do see a struggle identify with the modernizers.

Nonetheless, many Pakistanis endorse extreme views about law, religion and society. More than eight-in-ten support segregating men and women in the workplace, stoning adulterers, and whipping and cutting off the hands of thieves. Roughly three-in-four endorse the death penalty for those who leave Islam.

Thus, even though Pakistanis largely reject extremist organizations, they embrace some of the severe laws advocated by such groups. Still, Pakistanis differ sharply with the Taliban and al Qaeda when it comes to a tactic associated with both groups: suicide bombing. Fully 80% of Pakistani Muslims say suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilians can never be justified to defend Islam, the highest percentage among the Muslim publics surveyed. As recently as six years ago, only 35% held this view.

http://pewglobal.org/2010/07/29/concern-about-extremist-threat-slips-in-pakistan...
The corollary is that 20% of Pakistani Muslims can find justification for suicide bombing civilians to defend Islam. ANd, joy of joys, it is only 20% - it used to be 65%.

Remember, looking at that chart - four out of five of the respondents wanted modernisation.

ANd what's the approval rating for suicide bombing of civilians to defend Catholicism? Atheism? Judaism? Anglicanism? Anglicanism, eh? Must be much higher than 20%. Not to mention the godless atheists. That's gotta be practically most of them.

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Peter Pang New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6	Re: Interesting observation Reply #11 - Aug 31^st, 2010 at 6:21pm fantastic article
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