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Something interesting from the Israeli radio history website...

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There's no doubting some wealthier Palestinians did vacate their land so they could ride out the war in comfort, but the vast majority of Palestinians were not wealthy, nor did the vast majority have access to radios. The vast majority were simple villagers, who were driven out of their villages and homes by Zionist militias.

During one operation alone. Operation Danny some 50,000-70,000 Palestinian civilians were expelled by the Zionist militias (calling themselves an army by this stage).

Several Israeli historians have also begun actually foraging through the deep pile of propaganda to report more of an historical picture of the expulsion of the Palestinians. Ilan Pappe in his book The ethnic cleansing of Palestine for instance details exactly how the Palestinians left Palestine, and it wasn't to the tune of Arab propaganda radio waves.

Stop being an apostle of falsehood Yadda, and start reading some objective accounts, instead of the usual Zionist propaganda.

Yadda wrote on Aug 21^st, 2009 at 9:41am:


My wilfil ignorance? Are you sure you aren't a Muslim Yadda? You are very condescending and come across as an authoritarian not to mention a religious fanatic who hasn't the ability to recognise your own bigotry.

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Calanen - do you believe every man, woman and child in Palestine is a terrorist or potential terrorist?

Have you seen the violence Western kids over the last couple of decades have been subjected to through TV and games - mostly imported from the US. Is the extreme violence our kids watch any different to that the Palestinian kids are exposed to? Do you think violence - especially unprovoked violence by Western youth is justified? What's their excuse to murder, beat, stab and rob on a daily basis? You overlook this and continually attack a severely disadvantaged nation of people who have had to be defensive for so long they have become offensive for the sake of survival.

Of course not Abu, but Yadda comes across as an extremist and meets the description he uses to denigrate Muslims.

I was listening to a Muslim the other day (clean shaven) who was describing the two contradictory areas of the Koran, one area which has led to extremism. There are those patriarchists who embrace Islam's 7th century philosophy while other Muslims are struggling to move into the 21st century. He made sense but said the Muslims who live a regressive life haven't misinterpreted the Koran, but have been selective and exclusive in its teachings to suit their ideology.

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I can agree with your point to an extent helian, that no people should have to live as a stateless minority, facing persecution everywhere they go. And on that point, I can truly sympathise with the aspirations of the Jews as fellow human beings. But all it's done is effectively boot the Palestinians out into almost the exact same kind of diaspora. So even if we consider the Jews have a valid aspiration, the realisation of those aspirations in Palestine would be cancelled out and neutralised by the fact they want to do the exact same thing to another people.

Also the fact they rejected every single proposal put before them, except Palestine tends to indicate it wasn't just about securing a safe homeland for world Jewry. They could've had a much more peaceful go at that in Uganda, Australia, Argentina or any of the other countries which were going to provide land for them to establish a Jewish home. Palestinians were never going to provide that, as they knew from day one that Zionist aspirations had been expressed to rid the land of it's inhabitants... and who wouldn't reject such an idea?

And at the end of the day, are they safer? As we constantly hear in the media, they're subject to constant rocket attacks, suicide bombings etc. It would seem they've jumped out of the pan and into the fire...

There was never going to be a peaceful or acceptable taking of Palestine, and even the British admit they bit off more than they could chew, and ended up washing their hands at it (albeit after they'd armed and trained the Zionists for their short term victory). The situation can only end in a horrible way it seems like it. The Palestinians will obviously never relinquish their land, and neither will the larger Arab and Muslim groupings either. The only solution that can be peaceful is to reconsider their re-settlement in Uganda, Australia or wherever they're still able to get a piece of land. No other solution has any inkling of a peaceful or just settlement in sight, let's just hope the 'power brokers' will admit/accept it. I think they knew from the beginning, but have too much to benefit by prolonging the situation.

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I agree, tho many countries in Europe would have been none to pleased to have a Jewish state on their doorstep.

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Most likely not, but few European nations could argue that they didn't deserve it. Members of nearly every nation's police force and intelligence agencies (and private citizens) assisted the Nazis in deporting and/or exterminating Jews.

They are one in the same.

The word Elohim (etymologically the same as Allah) is actually used more to refer to God in the Bible than Yahweh.

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Well I have also heard of an etymology which says Yahweh is a combination of beseeching (Arabic Ya) and he (Huwa), which would make Yahuwa, quite similar. Not sure if the same exists in Hebrew, should imagine that such basic words would be fairly similar.

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For Muslims, the good and the bad are dealt to us by God. So if they de-Arabicised Palestine, then it would be from God. But we've had this discussion before, and you didn't seem to comprehend that concept. As you were under the impression that if it were from God, then one must surender to and accept it. Unable to seperate the concepts of God's will from God's commands.

Even if Israel managed to de-Arabicise Palestine, that is not the end. They are completely surrounded by Arab and Muslim lands, and they face the exact same situation. So it's a pipedream to think Israel will ever exist as a 'normal' country, it will not.