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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41726 Gender:	Re: French teenager kills parents, brothers in Corsica Reply #30 - Aug 19^th, 2009 at 10:29am yes abu, you have every right to defend your belief, because you are in a free society. in many muslims countries, there is NO rights for nonmuslims. Your belief sucks bad. every nonmuslim dislikes muslims the more we learn of it.
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Reply #31 - Aug 19^th, 2009 at 10:38am

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Abu you have every right to defend your religion, but it’s a losing battle

Well I always like to remain optimistic mantra. I never give up hope that people will eventually wake up to the reality and see things as they are. And if I can contribute in countering the false image of Islam, then I'll try my best to do so. But you could be right in that many here are not interested in knowing. They base their beliefs on their prejudices and seek out anything that can confirm or validate them, whilst completely overlooking anything to the contrary.

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The ideology of Islam as the media portrays it is murderous, even though WW1, WWII, Vietnam, Afghanistan & Iraq were created by Christians and Jews.

Although this was largely the case at the beginning of the "war on terror", the tables have turned a lot since then. There are plenty of 'alternative' media outlets, such as al-Jazeerah and PressTV now broadcasting in English all over the world, so people are seeing that what their media reports is not always the full story. Even our own ABC and a lot of the time the BBC are also giving a lot more balanced coverage too. So the content is there, for those who are not just content with the propaganda of the major Western media outlets.

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It’s the same with Islam – it's corrupted by western interference. Nothing is going to change until extremists from either side are wiped out and that’s not going to happen.

It is definitely true that the West had a major hand in creating and arming and training the resistance groups in Afghanistan and Pakistan who have now turned on them, but as Michael Scheuer (former head of the CIA's bin Laden unit) notes, the "extremist" Muslims appear extreme because they're resisting our invasions into their land, they were never the "unthinkable, gotta wipe them out before they destroy the whole world, extremists" we now proclaim them to be, when they were fighting the Soviets on our behalf. So perhaps they're not as extreme as we're led to believe. All of the 'evidence' used to show us they are extreme is based on their reactions to our invasions of their lands... surely the one defending his own home has a right to be a little 'extreme'? I hardly think any of the good Aussie Nationalists here would be sitting at home watching the cricket whilst the Chinese stormed into Australia to invade it.

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Reply #32 - Aug 19^th, 2009 at 1:29pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19^th, 2009 at 10:38am:

All of the 'evidence' used to show us they are extreme is based on their reactions to our invasions of their lands... surely the one defending his own home has a right to be a little 'extreme'?

Lovely. So the Taliban is defending its homeland by killing other Muslims. Brilliant.
What's a 'little' extreme and misdirected violence between Muslims, eh? It's all one ummah.

As you are so fond of saying, it's OK, they are only Muslims. Well, the bearded monsters don't seem to be bothered and you, having a beard, seem to also be cool with a bit of 'extreme' Mulism killing by other Muslims as long as you can waive the hand and say it's all in defence of the fatherland against invading infidels.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41726 Gender:	Re: French teenager kills parents, brothers in Corsica Reply #33 - Aug 19^th, 2009 at 1:34pm abu - Quote: ......such as al-Jazeerah .......... was that the tv station run by islamics showing their kiddies how cartoon characters want them to be martyers??? yes, yes, I can see why the free world finds your belief repugnant.
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Reply #34 - Aug 19^th, 2009 at 2:01pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19^th, 2009 at 10:38am:

.....surely the one defending his own home has a right to be a little 'extreme'?

abu,

You didn't make that argument when Aussies in Cronulla decided that enough was enough, and decided to defend their women, from the constant abuse by local moslems, at local beaches.

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Reply #35 - Aug 19^th, 2009 at 2:15pm

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Lovely. So the Taliban is defending its homeland by killing other Muslims. Brilliant.

Resistance forces are fighting those who assist the invaders... I'm sure you'd offer the same courtesy to any fellow Aussies that decided to assist China invading Australia.. would you not? Or you'd sit down with them and say "We're all Aussies here, I'll go out and resist the Chinese, and you can assist them, but we won't fight one another" Yeh right.

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was that the tv station run by islamics showing their kiddies how cartoon characters want them to be martyers???

I think not.

Never mind though, it matches the rest of your 'information' about Muslims quite nicely

Yadda,

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You didn't make that argument when Aussies in Cronulla decided that enough was enough

I didn't? I don't believe we ever conversed during the Cronulla riots...

Never mind though, just form my supposed opinion for me, based on my religious profile... should be enough to fuel your blind hatred for a little longer.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41726 Gender:	Re: French teenager kills parents, brothers in Corsica Reply #36 - Aug 19^th, 2009 at 2:26pm you are quite right abu. it was a hamas tv station that did it another bunch of islamic terrorists/murderers typical of you to only partially answer a query. quite deceptive.
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Reply #37 - Aug 19^th, 2009 at 2:28pm

yes, here is the islamics abu so refuses to speak out agianst.

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Hamas TV has a new children's show which features a Mickey Mouse look-alike. But this Mickey does not romp about with Pluto, he teaches his young viewers to fight the "Zionist Occupation" and dream of a world dominated by Islam.

The show, called "Tomorrow's Pioneers", features a giant black-and-white Mickey Mouse-like character, called "farfour," or butterfly in Arabic. The program made headlines worldwide because the character has preached against Israel and the US and praised armed resistance.

According to Palestinian Media Watch , "using a character based on an appealing, world-famous and beloved icon like Mickey Mouse to teach Islamic supremacy and resistance as Islamic duty is a powerful and effective way to indoctrinate children."

The program encourages participation by child viewers, who phone in to the show and recite poems with images of hate and violence; for example, "We will destroy the chair of the despots, so they will taste the flame of death," and, in another poem, "Rafah sings ‘Oh, oh.' Its answer is an AK-47. We who do not know fear, we are the predators of the forest."

typically islamic

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Reply #38 - Aug 19^th, 2009 at 2:32pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19^th, 2009 at 2:15pm:

Yadda,

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You didn't make that argument when Aussies in Cronulla decided that enough was enough

I didn't? I don't believe we ever conversed during the Cronulla riots...

Never mind though, just form my supposed opinion for me, based on my religious profile... should be enough to fuel your blind hatred for a little longer.

abu,

Based on your religious profile, i know that moslems NEVER cause wars, and are NEVER responsible for violence.

Non-moslems cause wars/violence, by resisting ISLAM and its 'peace'.
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Islam 101: A Lexicon for Dummies.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34806

July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels
......The resort to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of "opening" the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Qur'an and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists. Unbelievers who stand in the way, creating obstacles for the da'wa, are blamed for this state of war, for the da'wa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it. In other words, those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them.
......It's "oppression" when Muslim immigrants in the West must live by the same, secular laws as the native infidels, [and] not sharia,
......The Saudi deputy minister of religious endowments, Abd Al-Rahman Al-Matroudi, stated in an interview on Saudi TV in July 2005 that "the definition of terrorism that concerns us is that it is any act or statement that contradicts the Koran or Sunna, whether in thought or action." He also said that Muslims should "impose their culture," and that peaceful ways should be pursued only when they were not strong enough to do this....
.....Aggression is something only infidels do.
.....it is not seen as aggression or war when Muslims attack non-Muslims. On the contrary, it is seen as aggression when non-Muslims resist the Islamization of their lands and thus "place obstacles in the way" of the spread of Islam. They are defying the will of Allah. Since subjugation to Islam alone can bring peace, Muslims consider themselves to be "spreading peace"...
......[To the muslim mind,] Aggression: [Is...] When non-Muslims do anything to preserve their culture and resist the Islamization of their country. Even when this "aggression" is non-violent, such as publishing a cartoon critical of Islam, this intolerable insult to Islamic supremacy on earth can be answered with violence by Muslims. Since a refusal to submit to sharia is a rebellion against Allah, the very existence of non-Muslim communities can be viewed as an act of aggression.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/012406.php

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Reply #39 - Aug 19^th, 2009 at 2:38pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 19^th, 2009 at 10:29am:

yes abu, you have every right to defend your belief, because you are in a free society.

in many muslims countries, there is NO rights for nonmuslims.

Your belief sucks bad. every nonmuslim dislikes muslims the more we learn of it.

It does make me wonder why some one who hates what this country stands for and its moderate law system would want to live here. Australia seems to be everything you dont like in life abu.

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Reply #40 - Aug 19^th, 2009 at 2:41pm

Yadda,

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Based on your religious profile, i know that moslems NEVER cause wars, or are responsible for violence.

Then why even question it? Since you already know my position ahead of time..

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yes, here is the islamics abu so refuses to speak out agianst.

I spoke about al-Jazeerah, a Qatar based News channel, which is certainly not "islamist". They might offer a different view to what you're used to, but they certainly are not pushing any Islamist agenda. Most of their female presenters don't even wear hijab. They are a purely secular Arabic-based news network, and are famous for their independant reporting, a rarity in the region.

Why you need to try and divert everything off topic always with some rant/link to what Hamas or someone else does, is beyond me. The ironic thing is, you then love to call me a deflector Grin

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: French teenager kills parents, brothers in Corsica Reply #41 - Aug 19^th, 2009 at 2:47pm Quote: Australia seems to be everything you dont like in life abu. I think you're going overboard a bit there Skippy. I don't like some of the policies of the Australian government, neither do a lot of other Australians. Does that mean it's "everything I don't like in life"?? Hardly.
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Reply #42 - Aug 19^th, 2009 at 2:47pm

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Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 19^th, 2009 at 10:29am:

yes abu, you have every right to defend your belief, because you are in a free society.

in many muslims countries, there is NO rights for nonmuslims.

Your belief sucks bad. every nonmuslim dislikes muslims the more we learn of it.

It does make me wonder why some one who hates what this country stands for and its moderate law system would want to live here. Australia seems to be everything you dont like in life abu.

Moslems are irrational persons.

The technical term for their mental condition is, 'stark raving bonkers'....

extermists too extreme for extremists
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1250479466/5#5

Moslems tolerance / encouragement of violence against innocent people, to me, is an indication of insanity.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: French teenager kills parents, brothers in Corsica Reply #43 - Aug 19^th, 2009 at 2:49pm Quote: The technical term for their mental condition is, 'stark raving bonkers'.... Quite amusing coming from you Yadda I doubt there's a single poster here who doesn't consider you a raving loon.
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Reply #44 - Aug 19^th, 2009 at 2:57pm

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19^th, 2009 at 2:41pm:

Yadda,

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Based on your religious profile, i know that moslems NEVER cause wars, or are responsible for violence.

Then why even question it?
Since you already know my position ahead of time..

abu,

I want every non-moslem that i can reach, to understand, what ISLAM / moslems represent in this world.

What ISLAM / moslems represents, disgusts me.

And i would like everyone to share my knowledge of ISLAM / moslems.

ISLAM / moslems = = lies, deception, violence.

ISLAM, is a sickness, and an evil political tyranny.

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