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Skippy, I'm not interested in "Muslim countries" since none of them actually implement the Islamic laws (some of them permit abortion for rape, some do not). But according to Islam, no she cannot abort the child. The child did not commit the crime and should not be punished by losing it's chance at life.

Do you think it's fair to punish the unborn baby?

Just because they haven't been born doesn't make them any less of a life, or deserving of life.

One wonders if the women gained control over muslim nations if the level of misogynist rules would be changed ?

At times I feel this is the most likely way islam will break from its past.


The degree of repression, oppression, totalitarism, decepetion, aggression shown from the islamic regions gives us all a BIG warning.

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Neither is suicide bombing.
It's not my right nor yours to tell a woman what to do with her body and the rest of her life after she has been raped.
What I do know is that in Australia a woman not only has a choice of what to do, she isn't subjected to a stoning or even death because of a group of mens actions.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 18^th, 2009 at 2:37pm:




You don't have to abu.

We all know

that you are a good moslem.

And good moslems support the 'struggle' against 'unbelievers', until they convert, submit to ISLAM, or are killed for their rebellion against Allah.


ALL MOSLEMS who refuse to participate in the Jihad are called 'hypocrites' [unbelievers,

non-moslems

] by Mohammed.

I'm sure that i can dig up a Hadith verse that clearly states that.






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If you don't resort to false arguments (which really had nothing to do with the topic at hand anyway), then I would have no need to point out that your mentioning of such things is out of place.

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The outcome you're proposing means taking a life. the outcome I am proposing doesn't take any life... unless of course you consider that raising a child takes your life? It would seem some today consider it to be like this... I don't.

Every life is a blessing, even if it came about through the wrong circumstances.

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That's a little different. The one who takes life, does not deserve to have life. Tbe unborn child, who you're proposing should have their life taken away didn't commit any crime, they are 100% pure innocence.

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And nowhere have you said that you do NOT support African Christians performing voodoo on albinos and killing them for their body parts...

Shall we conclude from that you support them? and their practises?

Likewise nowhere have you said you do NOT support Orthodox Jews spitting all over Aussie journalists and kicking them in the head, shall we conclude you also support that?

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I defend the right of people not to have foreigners from all around the world come into their country, boot them from their homes and herd them into refugee camps, yes. Doesn't mean I support every solitary act they carry out in resisting that tyranny.

You on the other hand clearly support that tyranny.

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Quite rich coming from someone who bows down and worships a human being, and probably has statues of him around.

Nowhere have I supported anything even remotely tribal. Islam clearly condemns tribalistic practises, and Muhammad (pbuh) clearly said "Whoever calls for tribalism or fights for tribalism or dies for tribalism, dies a death of pre-Islamic ignorance". You are judging Islam, based on the actions of ignorant people who've regressed from Islamic belief, back to their pre-Islamic practises.

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19^th, 2009 at 7:02am:



But the very point, Bozo (may I call you Bozo?) is that by western standars ALL are equal before the law. In Mohamedanism, there are a fascist hierarchies everywhere - based on confession, sex, language. To me, a man's religion is never an issue for judging his acts. To you, it is the first principle.

That is the point, and your reflex attempt at equivocation is of no use.

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OK, give us an example where you condemn a Muslim for what he has done in the name of Islam against a non-muslim.  
( Got that? Three variables:
1. A Muslim doing a bad thing
2. Says he has done it in the name of Islam, as a Muslim
3. He has done it against non-Muslims)

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 19^th, 2009 at 7:02am:


Abu you have every right to defend your religion, but it’s a losing battle because the “extremists” demanding power have corrupted Islam in the public view. The ideology of Islam as the media portrays it is murderous, even though WW1, WWII, Vietnam, Afghanistan & Iraq were created by Christians and Jews. 

There are plenty who are suspicious of the events of 9/11, but the puppet governments and media directed us into believing that Bin Laden was responsible for the most sophisticated terror attack in modern history. War was planned in Afghanistan & Iraq long before 9/11 and someone had to be held accountable.

In regard to black Christians in Africa – many of their practises are abhorrent, but they’ve forgotten who their true God is thanks to western intervention. It’s the same with Islam – it's corrupted by western interference. Nothing is going to change until extremists from either side are wiped out and that’s not going to happen.