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Aug 14th, 2009 at 11:54am
 
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An Adelaide man found to have vilified Jewish people on his website has been jailed after he failed to overturn a contempt of court finding.

Dr Fredrick Toben was originally sentenced to three months in jail for contempt, for repeated internet publication of material in breach of the Racial Discrimination Act.

Federal Court Justice Jeffrey Spender today said the case was not about the Holocaust, but whether Toben had complied with court orders.

All three judges dismissed an appeal against the contempt finding and upheld the three month sentence.

Toben was immediately taken into custody by federal police.

Source: ABC

Where are the free speech fanatics now? Seems freedom of speech is only enforced when it's the ability to freely vilify and denigrate Islam. The hypocrisy of democracy,
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Reply #1 - Aug 14th, 2009 at 12:10pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 14th, 2009 at 11:54am:
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An Adelaide man found to have vilified Jewish people on his website has been jailed after he failed to overturn a contempt of court finding.

Dr Fredrick Toben was originally sentenced to three months in jail for contempt, for repeated internet publication of material in breach of the Racial Discrimination Act.

Federal Court Justice Jeffrey Spender today said the case was not about the Holocaust, but whether Toben had complied with court orders.

All three judges dismissed an appeal against the contempt finding and upheld the three month sentence.

Toben was immediately taken into custody by federal police.

Source: ABC

Where are the free speech fanatics now? Seems freedom of speech is only enforced when it's the ability to freely vilify and denigrate Islam.
The hypocrisy of democracy
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Firstly, we do not live in a democracy, we live in an elected autocracy.



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.......Seems freedom of speech is only enforced when it's
the ability to freely vilify and denigrate Islam
.




Secondly, revealing the TRUTH, is not vilification.

Thirdly, revealing the TRUTH, is not a denigration.


Speaking TRUTH is not 'hatred', or 'bigotry'.

Speaking what is clearly TRUE, should be its own defence.




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Reply #2 - Aug 14th, 2009 at 12:11pm
 

that is an interesting case.

years ago toben was directed to stop posting anti-jew material on the net.
he was jailed for disobeying the courts directions.

i would assume, the original order was given as his comments were false and encouraged violence etc etc.


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Reply #3 - Aug 14th, 2009 at 10:58pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 14th, 2009 at 11:54am:
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An Adelaide man found to have vilified Jewish people on his website has been jailed after he failed to overturn a contempt of court finding.

Dr Fredrick Toben was originally sentenced to three months in jail for contempt, for repeated internet publication of material in breach of the Racial Discrimination Act.

Federal Court Justice Jeffrey Spender today said the case was not about the Holocaust, but whether Toben had complied with court orders.

All three judges dismissed an appeal against the contempt finding and upheld the three month sentence.

Toben was immediately taken into custody by federal police.

Source: ABC

Where are the free speech fanatics now? Seems freedom of speech is only enforced when it's the ability to freely vilify and denigrate Islam. The hypocrisy of democracy,



You sad shiite. The bozo disobeyed a court order.

Anyways, if the Racial Discrimination Act were applied rigorously,  preaching Islam would be proscribed.

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Reply #4 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 6:22am
 
That guy was a massive clown, he was given EVERY chance to do the right thing, but was eventually jailed for breaching court orders.

You wouldnt know free speech if it drove you to mosque on Fridays Abu. You just like him vilifying jews so he get's your green tick of approval. If he was even criticising anything about Islam, you'd be saying he should be shot at dawn.
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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.
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Reply #5 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 8:22am
 
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Where are the free speech fanatics now? Seems freedom of speech is only enforced when it's the ability to freely vilify and denigrate Islam. The hypocrisy of democracy


As Soren & Calanen said - it was disobeying the Court Order, rather than what he actually said about Jews.

Muslims cop more than their fair share of abuse, but there are all sorts of laws in place to protect them. If you found a site (hopefully not this one) where Muslims are denigrated and threatened, Muslims would probably have some success gagging the site owner.

Toben's penalty does seem very harsh though - perhaps the Judge had a Jewish mother. You'd spend less time in gaol for stabbing someone.

I saw a documentary the other night on a Sharia Court in Nigeria. The people of this town, Christians and Muslims alike, chose to use Sharia Law because it was quicker and fairer and they didn't use solicitors.

It was very impressive because the magistrate, although harsh, was very intelligent. In 7 years there had only been 2 amputations and that was because the defendants chose not to appeal and welcomed the punishment because it brought them closer to Allah.

Even the public lashings for alcoholism were a great deterrant and crime which had previously created enormous problems had dropped to almost nothing.



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Reply #6 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 2:50pm
 
mantra wrote on Aug 15th, 2009 at 8:22am:
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Where are the free speech fanatics now? Seems freedom of speech is only enforced when it's the ability to freely vilify and denigrate Islam. The hypocrisy of democracy


As Soren & Calanen said - it was disobeying the Court Order, rather than what he actually said about Jews.

Muslims cop more than their fair share of abuse,




Not in my eyes.

ISLAM is a death cult, and in a country such as Australia, ISLAM should be criticised, and ISLAM should be proscribed.

And much to abu's disappointment, i am sure!, i am not holding my breath [for such a circumstance to eventuate].





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......but there are all sorts of laws in place to protect them. If you found a site (hopefully not this one) where Muslims are denigrated and threatened, Muslims would probably have some success gagging the site owner.

Toben's penalty does seem very harsh though - perhaps the Judge had a Jewish mother. You'd spend less time in gaol for stabbing someone.

I saw a documentary the other night on a Sharia Court in Nigeria. The people of this town, Christians and Muslims alike, chose to use Sharia Law because it was quicker and fairer and they didn't use solicitors.

It was very impressive because the magistrate, although harsh, was very intelligent. In 7 years there had only been 2 amputations and that was because the defendants chose not to appeal and welcomed the punishment because it brought them closer to Allah.

Even the public lashings for alcoholism were a great deterrant and crime which had previously created enormous problems had dropped to almost nothing.








mantra,

A political and religious tyranny may produce fear, and superficial, observable, outward, compliance [to laws of a country].

But the fear created by
the violence of tyranny
, does not create a healthy, or a just society.

If it did, all Sharia jurisdictions, all moslem countries,
would be examples to us all
[to non-moslem societies], of how justice and peace can be achieved for mankind.

Yet, it is evident, that all, yes,
all
moslem / Sharia societies are violent, repressive, and unjust places.





You want Justice and Peace?


Free and open, spoken, expressed TRUTH, produces an environment for justice to flourish.

Peace is abundant, in places where justice is abundant, and is the norm.

Justice is nurtured alone, by free and open TRUTH.




Google,
saudi maid abuse
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=saudi+maid+abuse&btnG=Google+Search&meta...



...
March 25, 2005
Maid May Lose Fingers, Toes after Sponsor Abuse
By Hassan Adawi
JEDDAH — A 25-year-old Indonesian woman who came to Saudi Arabia as a guest worker will have several of her fingers, toes and part of her right foot amputated because of gangrene after being tied up for a month in a bathroom by her Saudi sponsor, who also apparently beat her severely, injuring her eye and knocking several of her teeth out.
....M. Sukiarto of the Indonesian Embassy noted earlier this year that a total of 2,000 housemaids have been repatriated to Indonesia so far this year, with many alleging maltreatment, nonpayment of wages or physical abuse by their sponsors.

http://www.natashatynes.org/newswire/2005/03/indonesian_maid.html




...
22 May 2008
Saudi maid verdict 'outrageous'
Human Rights Watch has called on Saudi judges to overturn a decision to drop charges against a Saudi couple accused of severely abusing an Indonesian maid.
A judge in Riyadh awarded $670 damages to the maid, Nour Miyati, but dropped all charges against her employers.
......Ms Miyati, 25, contracted gangrene after allegedly being tied up for a month and left without food in 2005. She had to have several fingers and toes amputated.
New York-based Human Rights Watch called for an appeals court to "impose stiff penalties on the employers, including imprisonment, and payment of significant financial compensation".
Saudi officials have not commented on the report.
.....A prior Saudi judgement, subsequently overturned, had seen Ms Miyati convicted of falsely accusing her employers and sentenced to 79 lashes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7415290.stm





N.B.....

I did NOT focus on Saudi Arabia here, above, because i judge it as the worst example of the injustice, in moslem countries.

I used Saudi Arabia as an example, merely because
Saudi Arabia is the pre eminent moslem country
.

I used Saudi Arabia as an example, because,
moslems themselves claim
that Sharia / moslem societies are
the
most just.


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Reply #7 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 7:11pm
 
mantra wrote on Aug 15th, 2009 at 8:22am:
Muslims cop more than their fair share of abuse, but there are all sorts of laws in place to protect them. If you found a site (hopefully not this one) where Muslims are denigrated and threatened,




I think denigration is perfectly OK in a free society. Hurting people's feelings is not to be forbidden. Hurting people is and should be,
But it is everybody's lawful human right to be offended. We must not deny this very baisc right to our Muslim interlocutors who are very keen the other rights and privileges a free and open secular society confers on them as free citizens.

Must not treat them as children, I say, but as fully responsible grown ups. Otherwise the day may come when they will claim ADHD as the cause of their erratic, emotionally incontinent, yet politically shrewd and cunning behaviour. 






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Reply #8 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 7:40pm
 
Yadda wrote on Aug 15th, 2009 at 2:50pm:
[ISLAM is a death cult, and in a country such as Australia, ISLAM should be criticised, and ISLAM should be proscribed.

And much to abu's disappointment, i am sure!, i am not holding my breath [for such a circumstance to eventuate].

mantra,

A political and religious tyranny may produce fear, and superficial, observable, outward, compliance [to laws of a country].

But the fear created by
the violence of tyranny
, does not create a healthy, or a just society.

If it did, all Sharia jurisdictions, all moslem countries,
would be examples to us all
[to non-moslem societies], of how justice and peace can be achieved for mankind.

Yet, it is evident, that all, yes,
all
moslem / Sharia societies are violent, repressive, and unjust places.

I used Saudi Arabia as an example, because,
moslems themselves claim
that Sharia / moslem societies are
the
most just.



Yadda - Saudi Arabia is one of the worst examples. This particular city I referred to in Nigeria consisted of both a Civil & Shariah Court, so the residents had a choice, but the Shariah Court was the most popular and used by Christians as well, who also voted to have Shariah Law introduced because of the escalating violence.

It was pointed out that this particular area was far less repressive than many other Muslim controlled areas, but it worked well for everyone. I think we need to keep an open mind - not lump all Muslims in the same boat. It's like using those barbaric and cannabalistic Christians in Africa, who practise voodoo, torture and witchcraft on small children in the name of Jesus Christ, as an example of all Christians.
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Reply #9 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 7:58pm
 
Mantra, excellent story, but unfortunately real/successful implementations of Shari'ah rarely make good news stories, that's why we don't see them in the mainstream. People like Yadda are quite content with Saudi Arabia, even though it's well known, even in many non-Muslim circles, that Saudi is not a proper Shari'ah state, and it contains hundreds, if not thousands, of unjust laws that completely contradict Islam/Shari'ah.
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Reply #10 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 8:48pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 15th, 2009 at 7:58pm:
Mantra, excellent story, but unfortunately real/successful implementations of Shari'ah rarely make good news stories, that's why we don't see them in the mainstream. People like Yadda are quite content with Saudi Arabia, even though it's well known, even in many non-Muslim circles, that
Saudi is not a proper Shari'ah state, and it contains hundreds, if not thousands, of unjust laws that completely contradict Islam/Shari'ah.





That is because moslems are all hypocrites.

Moslems claim to bring God's laws to men [in Sharia], but as in all places on this earth, these claimed-to-be 'guided' moslems, are merely introducing, more
corrupt laws of men
.

If this is not so, please point to a moslem society where, being 'guided' by Sharia, it is a paragon of justice.


Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.




Nigeria?

Ha.

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Reply #11 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 8:51pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 15th, 2009 at 7:58pm:
Mantra, excellent story, but unfortunately real/successful implementations of Shari'ah rarely make good news stories, that's why we don't see them in the mainstream. People like Yadda are quite content with Saudi Arabia, even though it's well known, even in many non-Muslim circles, that Saudi is not a proper Shari'ah state, and it contains hundreds, if not thousands, of unjust laws that completely contradict Islam/Shari'ah.



Excellent. Now we have Nigeria as an example of how to conduct our affairs, promoted above Saudi Arabia.  And in the mental echo chamber of Islam this actually passes for an argument.

The vanity and absurdity of Sharia propaganda knows no bounds.



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Reply #12 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 8:54pm
 
mantra wrote on Aug 15th, 2009 at 7:40pm:
Yadda - Saudi Arabia is one of the worst examples. This particular city I referred to in Nigeria consisted of both a Civil & Shariah Court, so the residents had a choice, but the Shariah Court was the most popular and used by Christians as well, who also voted to have Shariah Law introduced because of the escalating violence.

It was pointed out that this particular area was far less repressive than many other Muslim controlled areas, but it worked well for everyone.
I think we need to keep an open mind - not lump all Muslims in the same boat.





mantra,

All moslems place themselves, in the same boat.

It is called the SS Ummah.

Dictionary,
umma = = the whole community of Muslims bound together by ties of religion.








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It's like using those barbaric and cannabalistic Christians in Africa, who practise voodoo, torture and witchcraft on small children in the name of Jesus Christ, as an example of all Christians.





mantra,

Yes, i remember watching that program.

And i thought that those circumstances were reprehensible, and pitiful.





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Reply #13 - Aug 15th, 2009 at 9:12pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Aug 15th, 2009 at 7:58pm:
Mantra, excellent story, but unfortunately real/successful implementations of Shari'ah rarely make good news stories, that's why we don't see them in the mainstream. People like Yadda are quite content with Saudi Arabia, even though it's well known, even in many non-Muslim circles, that
Saudi is not a proper Shari'ah state, and it contains hundreds, if not thousands, of unjust laws that completely contradict Islam/Shari'ah
.




abu,

If this is true, why don't you
STAND UP
and preach this message in your mosque next Friday?




Your statement above, is just a cop-out, more moslem denial [of responsibility for,
any
, wrongdoing].

Q.
When will moslems take responsibility for what happens in their own societies?

A.
Never.

Why?

Because moslems are allergic to TRUTH.

And the TRUTH is that ISLAM, is a criminal gang, and a death cult.
.....and those who try to speak about that TRUTH, the criminal gang will threaten and try to kill.





...
This image reflects the height of 'social accomplishment' in any ISLAMIC society.

more here,
IDF shot children waving white flags
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1250207614/14#14



Part 188A - Islam's Culture of DENIAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSXMuJMuUH0

Part 188B - Islam's Culture of DENIAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWmy1BHZTTY

Part 067 - Dilemma of Muhammadan Muslims
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dd7adRI5q4
....a complete culture of denial

Part 084 - Islam Before Muhammad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6daBEwivQE
....moslems in a state of denial



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Reply #14 - Aug 18th, 2009 at 8:02pm
 

following in abus thread on free speech ..........
We have yale university willingly becoming dhimmis to muslims.
wimps, softcocks. uni girlies.

give in to nutters like these and your life is worthless.
mohammad was a murderous sex addict .
is that what he did, abu ?
Is that a fact ?
did he murder many people ? Did he shag a child when he was a grownup?




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NEW YORK: Yale University Press has been accused of cowardice and censorship after deciding not to reproduce cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed in an academic book for fear of violent reprisals.

Later this year the Press will publish a scholarly work about reactions to the cartoons printed in a Danish newspaper in 2005, which sparked protests around the world. But readers will not see the 12 cartoons that are the subject of the book, including one showing Mohammed with a turban like a bomb.

Yale has decided to publish The Cartoons That Shook the World, by Jytte Klausen, without any likenesses of the prophet.

The howls of protest are all the louder for the fact that there have not been any threats of violence related to the book. “‘We do not negotiate with terrorists. We just accede to their anticipated demands'. That is effectively the new policy position at Yale University Press," Cary Nelson, the president of the American Association of University Professors, wrote in an open letter.

Yale took its decision to self-censor after consulting two dozen experts, including counter-terrorism specialists and the highest-ranking Muslim official at the UN. Yale says that the experts concluded that the book should omit the 12 Danish cartoons. "You can count on violence if any illustration of the Prophet is published. It will cause riots, I predict, from Indonesia to Nigeria," Ibrahim Gambari, a top UN official, advised.

"My book is an academic book with footnotes and the notion that it would set off civil war in Nigeria is laughable," Ms Klausen told The Times. "The university spooked itself." Ms Klausen, who is a Danish-born professor of politics at Brandeis University in Massachusetts, argues in the book that the protests against the Danish cartoons were orchestrated by extremists seeking to destabilise several governments.

She says that Yale is magnifying the problem and that her book has become part of "a battle over the limits of freedom of speech".


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25946625-2703,00.html
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