Grendel wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2009 at 3:58pm:

I've based my op on the findings of the experts, now fukc off and stop trolling me.
You on the other hand believe the confusionalist s hit you always have.

Grendel wrote on Aug 24^th, 2009 at 9:34am:


That's why most of the world is laughing at them, while the real experts try to deal with this crisis those confusionalists, most of whom are in the pockets of the major polluters, are more interested in money in their pockets than they are our children's future.

Yes, you would find it funny. I on the other hand think our children deserve to live in a world that has clean air and less pollution.
I vote GREEN.

Grendel wrote on Aug 24^th, 2009 at 9:34am:


Yes, but the only 'experts' who count are those who are 'experts' on the subject in question.

Experts who are employed to spread disinformation generally have very little expertise when it comes to the truth.

I'll reply here rather than off-topic on the Malcolm Turnbull thread.

The most hilarious thing I've seen so far from Climate denialists has been their latching on to the sunspot minimum story.

The flavour of the month earlier this year was "See - it's all due to the sun!'

It somehow escaped them that er sunspots are associated with greater solar activity, not less. Less sunspots should be associated with a drop in temperature, not an increase (check the Maunder Minimum)

Of course when the penny drops, there is the usual embarrassed silence, and then they start rambling on again about monthly temperature figures or something totally irrelevant again. Collectively they seem to have this short-term memory loss.

It doesn't matter how many times they have been burnt down by the flames of reason, they seem to go on rising from the ashes in a Phoenix like manner,  time and time again.