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Reply #15 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:36am
 
Whatsup Skipeeeeeeeeeeeeee...

No one to talk to at home.
Feel the need to abuse others and lie about them?
Well I'm not happy being your target.
Go away.
Find someone who will appreciate your invective and crap.
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Reply #16 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:44am
 
o where were we before boofeeeeeee butted in? oh right, yes you were right to call them Islamists rather than Muslims sprint, even tho I know you hate Islam at least you show respect for the vast majority of Muslims who are normal everyday people trying to do the best for their families just like the non extremist Christians and the very tolerant atheists.
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Reply #17 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:46am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:10am:
Why did you use the term "Islamist" and not just Muslim?





Grendel,

In reality there is little real distinction between those two terms.

ALL moslems, ARE ISLAMISTS.

The epitome of the 'normal' moslem, the moslem whose actions, all moslems are encouraged ot emulate, was Mohammed, ISLAM's founder.

And by definition, Mohammed [the pirate and murderer] was a 'normal', 'moderate', moslem.
....just like every other, 'moderate', moslem, setting of bombs, and 'righteously' murdering 'Kuffar'.



Dictionary,
epitome = = a person or thing that is a perfect example of a quality or type.




The Koran,

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah [Mohammed] a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. "

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/033.qmt.html#033.021



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #18 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:48am
 
Actually Skipeeee  before you butted in Sprint and I were discussing the "Islamist" terminology...  then you decided to start another of your oh so boring flame wars Trolleeee...  more abuse and lies followed.

Why don't you just piss off and find a site where your type of debating skills are appreciated.
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Reply #19 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:52am
 
yes I get your point yadda... but I figure today's politicians would not see "Islamist" as an appropriate or formal category under which immigration operates.

Whereas...  they cannot unless they legislate discriminate against a religion ie Islam.
Also Muslim or Moslem is the contemporary accepted term for a follower of that faith.
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Reply #20 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:52am
 
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Why don't you just piss off and find a site where your type of debating skills are appreciated


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Reply #21 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:55am
 
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Actually Skipeeee  before you butted in Sprint and I were discussing the "Islamist" terminology


WRONG AGAIN I think you'll find I actually commented on this topic before you, but we know you dont like truth to get in the way of facts.
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Reply #22 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:59am
 

yadda - hahahah, thanks .
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Good letter!

Well said sprint.

Your points were expressed very succinctly.

If only we could encourage many, many, others to also write such letters.


The proposed original letter was changed quite a bit by suggestions of others here before I sent it off.
Their suggestions were VERY good.
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Reply #23 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:03am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:52am:
yes I get your point yadda... but I figure today's politicians would not see "Islamist" as an appropriate or formal category under which immigration operates.

Whereas...  they cannot unless they legislate discriminate against a religion ie Islam.

Also Muslim or Moslem is the contemporary accepted term for a follower of that faith.





Grendel,

Many people, many Australians included, still categorise ISLAM as a religion.

ISLAM is not a religion, except in name only.

ISLAM has demonstrated, and demonstrates every day, what it REALLY is,
.....and ISLAM is a death cult.


That is a fact.



Most recent exemplary evidence [but 100's more evidences available],

July 22, 2009
"Tamimi distinguishes good Muslims from their adversaries this way: 'We love death. They love life.'"

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026987.php




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #24 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:13am
 
Officially Islam is recognised and categorised as a religion...  globally...  you cannot get away from that fact.
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Reply #25 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:15am
 
yawn...  skipeeee.
You'll find what I said completely correct.
Now piss off like a good troll eh.
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Reply #26 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:22am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:13am:
Officially Islam is recognised and categorised as a religion...  globally...  you cannot get away from that fact.





'Officially', the Pope is a Catholic.




My point being....

Just because moslems
insist
that ISLAM is a tolerant, peaceful,
religion
, does not automatically make it so.

Shouldn't a
supposedly
, tolerant, peaceful,
religion
, have to meet certain criteria, to be deemed so?

LIKE FOR EXAMPLE,
......HAVING RELIGIOUS TEXTS, WHICH
DO NOT
ENDORSE, AND ENCOURAGE, THEIR FOLLOWERS TO MURDER THOSE WHO DO NOT SUBMIT THEIR 'RELIGION'?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #27 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:26am
 
I'm sure everyone here is aware of that argument I have read it ad nauseum.
I didn't need to because I am already aware of Islam and the Koran and the Haddiths etc.  I am also aware of Muslim behaviour globally.

Point being it is still regarded as a religion.
And it is.
Even if it is not one we'd follow.

The only way to minimise its impact on us here socially would be to ban it from further migration intakes. yet even that move would create other problems for us globally. unfortunately.

Also I think those Moslems already here would not appreciate the fact and of course we all know how they react when they are unhappy.
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Reply #28 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:36am
 
I said.....

Yadda wrote on Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:22am:
Just because moslems
insist
that ISLAM is a tolerant, peaceful,
religion
, does not automatically make it so.

Shouldn't a
supposedly
, tolerant, peaceful,
religion
, have to meet certain criteria, to be deemed so?

LIKE FOR EXAMPLE,
......HAVING RELIGIOUS TEXTS, WHICH DO NOT ENDORSE, AND ENCOURAGE, THEIR FOLLOWERS TO MURDER THOSE WHO DO NOT SUBMIT THEIR 'RELIGION'?






For example....

The Hadith states....

"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...


"He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause."

Fighting non-moslems is 'religiously' encouraged, to make ISLAM superior, over non-moslem systems of government.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Letter to Minister for Immigration and Citizenship
Reply #29 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:44am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 23rd, 2009 at 10:26am:
I'm sure everyone here is aware of that argument I have read it ad nauseum.




Quite so.

But please now, take the assumption onto Main Street, Australia, that ISLAM is a religion.

And ask typical Australians if they feel that, that is so [that ISLAM is a religion].

Not many would deny it.

And that, is the problem, so few people are willing to inform themselves about the issue of ISLAM, and what it intends, for their lives.




We should, we must, educate ourselves about ISLAM.

And not blithely accept what lying, treacherous, moslems, tell use, about ISLAM!


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