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Reply #180 - Jan 7^th, 2010 at 11:27am

There are some amazing things coming out of Russia ranging from the downright kookie to the out and out weird. The Russians have always had the world's best kooks and weirdos.

This guy is a crank, just like the Swedish Mathematician who thinks that the value for Pi is wrong.

- and if you are trying to say that anybody in their right minds agrees with him, then your argument is a huge strawman.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Climate Change Discussion and Questions Reply #181 - Jan 7^th, 2010 at 11:56am Are you calling Athos an idiot? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1262739041/4#4
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locutius Gold Member Offline You can't fight in here! It's the War Room Posts: 1817 Queensland Gender:	Re: Climate Change Discussion and Questions Reply #182 - Jan 8^th, 2010 at 10:07am Thanks Mozz and Muso. Hopefully be back a little more regularly this year. Hope you and all the forum members had a great Xmas. Our 19 month old had an absolutely grand time.
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Climate Change Discussion and Questions Reply #183 - Jan 8^th, 2010 at 6:51pm Soren, I'm not going to backpeddle. I'll stick by what I said. It's not up to me to defend people with extraordinary ideas.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Climate Change Discussion and Questions Reply #184 - Jan 9^th, 2010 at 10:29pm muso wrote on Jan 8^th, 2010 at 6:51pm: Soren, I'm not going to backpeddle. I'll stick by what I said. It's not up to me to defend people with extraordinary ideas. Alas, dear boy, that is precisely what you have been doing all along, defending people with extraordinary ideas.
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Reply #185 - Jan 11^th, 2010 at 11:51am

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2010 at 10:29pm:

muso wrote on Jan 8^th, 2010 at 6:51pm:

Soren,

I'm not going to backpeddle. I'll stick by what I said. It's not up to me to defend people with extraordinary ideas.

Alas, dear boy, that is precisely what you have been doing all along, defending people with extraordinary ideas.

- and that is precisely what I'd expect to hear from somebody who has no concept of scientific reasoning and has been conned by the widespread astroturfing that goes on in the blogosphere.

Those so-called extraordinary ideas have been demonstrated time and time again to be valid to a greater than 99% confidence level.

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Reply #186 - Jan 11^th, 2010 at 3:06pm

muso wrote on Jan 11^th, 2010 at 11:51am:

Soren wrote on Jan 9^th, 2010 at 10:29pm:

muso wrote on Jan 8^th, 2010 at 6:51pm:

Soren,

I'm not going to backpeddle. I'll stick by what I said. It's not up to me to defend people with extraordinary ideas.

Alas, dear boy, that is precisely what you have been doing all along, defending people with extraordinary ideas.

- and that is precisely what I'd expect to hear from somebody who has no concept of scientific reasoning and has been conned by the widespread astroturfing that goes on in the blogosphere.

Those so-called extraordinary ideas have been demonstrated time and time again to be valid to a greater than 99% confidence level.

You are exaggerating outrageously.

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Reply #187 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 2:16pm

Soren wrote on Jan 11^th, 2010 at 3:06pm:

You are exaggerating outrageously.

Actually no. I'm just summarising the findings of mainstream climate research.

What research are you summarising? Which papers can you point to that say that (and I quote soren) "AGM is crap". (I'm not talking about newspapers here.)

Papers from a certain Classics graduate who tells everybody that he's a member of the House of Lords don't count. (He tried once, and received zero votes). You can hire him as a clown for your next party. He charges $100,000 a shot. He's even coming to Australia.

Petitions from dentists and medical doctors don't count either. Without research they are basically just opinions. I know a person who is convinced that the Sun orbits the Earth, and nothing will persuade him differently. Do you believe that the Sun orbits the Earth, Soren?

(just checking)

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Reply #188 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 2:33pm

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Do you believe that the Sun orbits the Earth?

What yo talkin bout willis?

How else would it keep going down on one side, and coming up on the other if it were not revolving around us?
It is only common sense, plus every boby knows that the earth came first , then the stars were put in the sky for us.
I can't believe that scienticians do not know this stuff, it is common sense you can see with your own two eyes.

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OOPS!!! My Karma, ran over your Dogma!

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Reply #189 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 3:09pm

muso wrote on Jan 12^th, 2010 at 2:16pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 11^th, 2010 at 3:06pm:

You are exaggerating outrageously.

Actually no. I'm just summarising the findings of mainstream climate research.

What research are you summarising? Which papers can you point to that say that (and I quote soren) "AGM is crap". (I'm not talking about newspapers here.)

Papers from a certain Classics graduate who tells everybody that he's a member of the House of Lords don't count. (He tried once, and received zero votes). You can hire him as a clown for your next party. He charges $100,000 a shot. He's even coming to Australia.

Petitions from dentists and medical doctors don't count either. Without research they are basically just opinions. I know a person who is convinced that the Sun orbits the Earth, and nothing will persuade him differently. Do you believe that the Sun orbits the Earth, Soren?

(just checking)

The beauty of this whole thing, for me but not for you, is that I have to prove nothing. You have to prove that AGW is real and that it is caused by CO2.

You are the 'accuser', the onus of proof is solely on you. It has become increasingly clear in recent years and around the world that the task of proving it is too big. If you believe in it, this is upsetting, I can see that. But being upset is no proof of anything. Even if some partisant of AGW resort to Leninist tactics, verbal and actual.

Some sceptic or other had to have police escort to a talk in Houston recently. The 'believers' rioted in Copenhagen.

If the Leninist/Stalinist reference is foggy for some, we can use the Mohammedan rage boy example. A lot of warmerists are Mohammedan rage boys at heart. Mozz, for exmple, is displaying distinct tendencies, even if he does not quite break through the veneer.

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Darwin Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1037	Re: Climate Change Discussion and Questions Reply #190 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 4:09pm That's it eh Soren? Move it away from science to religion. If London is at the same latitude as Siberia how come it is much warmer?
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Reply #191 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 7:21pm

Darwin wrote on Jan 12^th, 2010 at 4:09pm:

That's it eh Soren? Move it away from science to religion.

If London is at the same latitude as Siberia how come it is much warmer?

How come indeed!! Brilliant!! Now all it takes is latitude. Latitude is fate!! Thanks. And the GS.

ANy other hobby horses?

ANd we have moved to religion, folks, be careful. I tell warmerists that they sound like angry rage boys - and I have shifted the discussion to religion. Watch and learn, all ye simple village people. But wait!
I am stupid AND a cunning deceiver at the same time. I must be an ultra right wing oppressor of all that is good and noble.

But Mr Darwin is here so all is saved. Phew!! That was close. Zzzzz....

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Reply #192 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 8:17pm

OK so Soren has no arguments left at all, hasn't considered any info and is now like a kid, fingers in ears "lalalalala I can't hear you lalalalalala"

Pathetic, Soren. Can't put aside prejudices to look at some facts, eh, its more important you don't change your mind.

It is NOT all to do with latitude, but there is a conundrum in that England, on same latitude as Siberia, is so much warmer. The answer to that question then has bearing on why England & NEurope are so cold right now.

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Reply #193 - Jan 12^th, 2010 at 10:10pm

Darwin wrote on Jan 12^th, 2010 at 8:17pm:

OK so Soren has no arguments left at all, hasn't considered any info and is now like a kid, fingers in ears "lalalalala I can't hear you lalalalalala"

Pathetic, Soren. Can't put aside prejudices to look at some facts, eh, its more important you don't change your mind.

It is NOT all to do with latitude, but there is a conundrum in that England, on same latitude as Siberia, is so much warmer. The answer to that question then has bearing on why England & NEurope are so cold right now.

Darwin, you have not provided one bit of argument, one bit of info. You go all mysterious and schoolmarmy about latitude and GS and old chool atlases. As if hint, hint, nudge, nudge was still an acceptable intellectual position. That's all your 'argument' and 'info: nudge nudge and lalalala.

I have asked you about the Thames freezing over. What was your response? Lemme see. I must have mistplaced it somewhere, I can't seem to find it.

Banging on about London and Siberia and latitude just shows that you left school at the earliest opportunity.

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Reply #194 - Jan 13^th, 2010 at 7:42am

No, my argument is there and supported by scientific papers. You are scared to do that bit of reading and thinking because it might upset your closed mind.

The Gulf stream of warm water flows North along the East coast of the US and Canada then down the coast of England. That warm current is what makes London so much more livable than Siberia (or Alaska.)

Now, that the Arctic ice and the Greenland Icesheets are meting is also an indisputable fact. As that meltwater flows into the North Atlantic it weakens that current and that means England/NEurope gets colder. One of the drivers of the Gulf Stream was supercooled water in the Arctic ocean sinking. this doesn't happen anymore.

Without the Gulf Stream England & Northern Europe would be a lot more like Siberia as they are finding out.

Now, go look at ABC website--deadly jelly fish are extending both their range and season as the Pacific warms. In five years they will be at the Sunshine Coast and then its bye bye tourism. Migratory birds in the N Hemisphere are settling at more and more northerly locations, and the global temperature is increasing in lock step with increasing CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere.

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