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Reply #30 - Sep 4th, 2009 at 11:05pm
 
Melanias purse wrote on Sep 4th, 2009 at 5:01pm:
Does this mean we shouldn't sell coal and gas to China?

What do we do - keep it all to ourselves and make all those cheap, 2-dollar shop products ourselves?No we make quality goods built to either last or be re used

No sweatshops, no Chinese resturants, no convenience stores.Sounds good Endless suburbs like Macquarie Fields fading into the horizon. A nation of unemployed, poker-machine playing methadone addicts. Thats your false idea, and no you conserve land, bulldoze un nescessary junk and re forest the land 

Civilization is based on trade. Places like Venice, Amsterdam, Constantinople and London were built on it. Trade then was not like it is now, and trade should occur but only to import something that your nation can not produce or can not match in quality, not price

Backward hayseeds might yearn for some down-home redneck utopia where the waving wheat does sure smell sweet, but I bet they've never lived it. The more you travel and meet people, the more you expand your horizons - not long for some insular, flyblown stasis.
I have been around the world where to next mars
Human growth is based on cultural interaction - as if protectionism were even remotely possible in current global climate. Why bother farting out loud?

The louder the fart the worse the constipation. Try to breathe.

You are getting desperat
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Reply #31 - Nov 9th, 2009 at 3:18pm
 
I don't feel desperat, ON. But you get my point.

Reverting back to the 1950s is just not possible. Not to mention the lack of political will to re-introduce all those tariffs, we just don't have a viable manufacturing sector anymore.

And we stopped riding on the sheep's back when the England joined the EU.

Australia is now gearing itself up to become a fossil fuel superpower. This, of course, is part of the national folly Donald Horne pointed out when he thought up the Lucky Country tag back in the 60s.

The other problem with Australia in the 50s and 60s was the protectionism, the insular provincialism, the boys clubs, the censorship, the rampant corruption - not to mention the sheer lack of national creativity. We looked to England and America for everything.

So we floated the dollar and opened up the banking sector - BUT - at the same time industry decided to get even richer and move offshore. The term globalisation was coined.

It's done now. What are you going to nationalise? What's left to protect? There's always the prisons, I suppose...

The future - unfortunately for skinheads and oz nationalists, is Asia. We sell them our iron filings and lumps of coal, and they sell it back to us. We dig it up, and they turn it into things. Until you can find billions of cheap workers in Australia, this is how the economy will continue to work.

Alternatively, you can create expensive Australian products and see if people will buy them. We still do, of course, so it's not all lost.

But your brand of "ideology" is pretty much dead - all because it has no relationship to a living economy.

You can get all nostalgic about our grandparents fighting and dying in various wars - and there's nothing wrong with this. But assuming some naive form of protectionism will do anything at all (other than make a handful of people feel good) is wrong.

Our future is Asian.
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Reply #32 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 10:24pm
 
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Reverting back to the 1950s is just not possible. Not to mention the lack of political will to re-introduce all those tariffs, we just don't have a viable manufacturing sector anymore.


No one in their right mind would suggest that we should go back to the 50s. The only lack of political will is amongst the weak kneed mainstream political parties. There is plenty of will amongst the white nationalist and National Socialist political parties like the Australia First Party and One Nation. Of course we don't have a viable manufacturing sector any more because it has basically been destroyed. It has been destroyed because of the abolishment of tariffs and the flooding of Australia of cheap foreign labour.

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And we stopped riding on the sheep's back when the England joined the EU.


The Australian economy has never totally relied on the wool industry. We have always relied on many different industries for our economy development.

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Australia is now gearing itself up to become a fossil fuel superpower. This, of course, is part of the national folly Donald Horne pointed out when he thought up the Lucky Country tag back in the 60s.


How can we become a primary industry economy when the Federal Government is about to introduce the ETS which will cripple mining industry through the introduction of large taxes on carbon emissions.

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The other problem with Australia in the 50s and 60s was the protectionism, the insular provincialism, the boys clubs, the censorship, the rampant corruption - not to mention the sheer lack of national creativity. We looked to England and America for everything.


No one is seriously suggesting that we embrace every thing that we had back then. Australia First only wants to rebuild the manufacturing sector and save White Australia from destruction. And by the way, we still look to Great Britain and America for every thing.

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So we floated the dollar and opened up the banking sector - BUT - at the same time industry decided to get even richer and move offshore. The term globalisation was coined.


Globalisation is not good nor is the floating Australian dollar. The floating of the Australian dollar has resulted in massive speculation which has distorted the value of our currency. Speculation is a massive problem that makes globalisation pointless and unworkable. In stead of prices being set through the demand and supply principle, the prices have been utterly distorted because of greedy speculators who drive up prices of things like gold and oil. The opening up the of the banking system has resulted in the over supply of cheap credit which has distorted and over valued the economy and especially the housing market.

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It's done now. What are you going to nationalise? What's left to protect? There's always the prisons, I suppose...


It can be reversed. You are really an idiot. The globalised neo-liberal economy will soon collapse because it has been weighed down will trillions upon trillions of unpayable debt. The next great depression will destroy your beloved international economy. What is there to protect? We will reintroduce tariffs while we rebuilt the manufacturing sector. That will take 15 to 20 years to complete.

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Reply #33 - Nov 25th, 2009 at 10:36pm
 
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The future - unfortunately for skinheads and oz nationalists, is Asia. We sell them our iron filings and lumps of coal, and they sell it back to us. We dig it up, and they turn it into things. Until you can find billions of cheap workers in Australia, this is how the economy will continue to work.


Do you actually think that would work? Australia can't even afford what we are consuming. Australia is borrowing tens of millions of dollars in foreign currency to pay for it's consumption. Interest is just making the problem worse. Globalisation only appears to be working but it isn't. Do you know where America, Australia and Great Britain are getting the cash to pay for their consumption of Chinese and Indian goods? America has been issuing bonds and the Chinese have been paying for them. The Chinese give America hundreds of billions of dolalrs in cash. America uses the borrowed Chinese money to pay for Chinese goods and services. China uses that cash to pay for Australian primary industry exports. So, the whole system for the last 20 years has been proped up by Red China through China buying useless American bonds. Are you really that stupid that you think that it can continue? It can't. THE WORLD ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE. Australia and American must protect their own interests and people and forget about the bloody gooks. Let them starve to death come the next great depression. If they try and migrate to Australia... just sink the goats and let them die.

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Alternatively, you can create expensive Australian products and see if people will buy them. We still do, of course, so it's not all lost.


Expensive Australian products? Our products are not expensive. We can cut back the cost of production by eliminating unnecessary things like environmental protection measures, Aboriginal things and etc. Bureaucracy is another reason why running industries in this country is so expensive.
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But your brand of "ideology" is pretty much dead - all because it has no relationship to a living economy.


DEAD? Tell that to the millions of white people who agree with us.

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You can get all nostalgic about our grandparents fighting and dying in various wars - and there's nothing wrong with this. But assuming some naive form of protectionism will do anything at all (other than make a handful of people feel good) is wrong.

Our future is Asian.


You will regret Australia having hundreds of different ethnic groups and races come the next great depression or should I say economic collapse. Think about it, the races don;t get along with each other. Sydney is a giant open air ghetto. You'll have millions of unemployed people from different races. Each race and ethnic group hate each other. All this will lead to only one thing... total anarchy. But you won't mind because you just love multiculturalism and multiracialism.
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Reply #34 - Nov 27th, 2009 at 10:58am
 
Aussie Skinhead wrote on Nov 25th, 2009 at 10:36pm:
[quote]You will regret Australia having hundreds of different ethnic groups and races come the next great depression or should I say economic collapse. Think about it, the races don;t get along with each other. Sydney is a giant open air ghetto. You'll have millions of unemployed people from different races. Each race and ethnic group hate each other. All this will lead to only one thing... total anarchy. But you won't mind because you just love multiculturalism and multiracialism.


You're right - I do like "multiracialism." The alternative (racist white supremacy) puts me to sleep. I was starting to agree with the tone of anti-lassez-faire capitalism expressed here, but you've lost me with this whole Nazi schtick.

The "races" are here. What are you going to do - ship them all somewhere else? The problem with this Fascist routine is that it's so unrealistic. Sure, five neo-Nazis might have the will to do something. Who knows? You may well be right and everyone else wrong.

But politics works through consensus and competing wills - not one will. The whole authoritarian thing, I believe, is completely out of date. Modern - global - culture is very individualistic. And "Australian" culture - if there is currently such a thing - has become global. Along with the economy and information technology. Australians have always been anti-authoritarian - we've never been one blood, one God, one Leader, now have we?

And I'm not saying that there isn't significant discontent with globalisation and multiculturalism, particularly in rural and regional areas. Hanson certainly showed that.

But you're barking up the wrong tree. I just can't see why you would find a problem with different races living in one place and time. You can call me a fool - call me anything you want. If you can convince me, however, please do.

This - by the way - is the only way you'll be able to make any headway in the mainstream population.

I fully believe in a multicultural/racial Australia. I'm sure you'd see me as the sort of weak, lefty "jew-lover" skinheads probably rail against (of course, my Aryan blood is distinctly "pure").

But I don't see our views as fundamentally opposing. I agree that we need to reduce our consumption, produce real things as opposed to mindlessly "speculating," and, on the whole, live simpler lives. Hitler would wholeheartedly agree, of course.

And Hitler would also agree that the problem is economic. Fascism occurred in the midst of the Great Depression. Whenever there are structural shifts in the economy/history, people will cling to the familiar. They may even long for some imaginary past, as the Nazis did with a completely manufactured mythical "Aryan" identity.

The sooner race disapears from the agenda, the better. But what am I saying?

It has.

If you choose to retain a form of crude, nationalistic bigotry - the longing for some imaginary past and the yearning for something that will never be - it's your call. But I find this sad. Hate is fear. Underneath this xenophobic, tribal longing for the past is the inability to live with change - a deep-seated fear of change.

I see this as a weakness, not a strength. And while I agree that it lurks in the Australian unconscious - as Hansonism showed; as the White Australia Policy certainly showed - I believe it shows Australia's national weakness as a country situated in Asia.

The only "true" Australians are Aboriginals - and even they only came here 50,000 years ago. Why shouldn't the whites all piss off back to Europe? Yeah, we vanquished, we conquered, we settled, we cleared, we killed off the lazy Godless bastards that wasted this great land.

And now we're living with the consequences.

Ultimately, Fascism does not work in the intellectual climate of an internet-driven world of competing ideas. Fascism was established by Brownshirts and Nazis - the "collective" will of uniformed dupes, and inevitably - total war. Nazism pitted itself against liberal democracy and debate. It was about action, not argument: the bullet in the back of the neck. Kristalnacht.

Fascism might convince in the town square - but the internet?

If "protectionism" is a superior political alternative, it requires the power of persuasion. As a reasonably open, "white" Australian political observer, I'm completely available for conversion if you can use your keyboard rationally, with common sense, and with heart.

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Reply #35 - Nov 27th, 2009 at 11:40pm
 
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You're right - I do like "multiracialism." The alternative (racist white supremacy) puts me to sleep. I was starting to agree with the tone of anti-lassez-faire capitalism expressed here, but you've lost me with this whole Nazi schtick.


The alternative that I am proposing is not "racist white supremacy". What I am proposing is that each race, ethnic and cultural group should have it's own nation state. Nation states were originally designed to cater for each ethnic and cultural group. People don't like to be apart of massive multicultural super states. We saw this in the 20th century with the rejected of empires and unions (e.g. the collapse of the Austrian Hungarian Empire, Soviet Union and Czechoslovakia). With multicultural states, you have to cater for every ethnicity, culture and race. That is impossible. Just look at what happened with the Soviet Union. You had 100 different ethnicities and it collapsed with in three generations. Tribalism can never be destroyed and nor can nationalism be destroyed because they are natural. People want to be with their own people. You will find this through out history and with in the present day Australian society. Sydney is a good example. Each ethnicity and race has their own suburb. They have their own gangs and other groups.


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Reply #36 - Nov 27th, 2009 at 11:48pm
 
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The "races" are here. What are you going to do - ship them all somewhere else? The problem with this Fascist routine is that it's so unrealistic. Sure, five neo-Nazis might have the will to do something. Who knows? You may well be right and everyone else wrong.


Yes, the races are here because they have been imported. The multicultural experiment has faulted and failed. Places like Sydney are now segregated along racial and ethnic lines. You have ethnic gangs and the problem is now so bad that New South Wales now has a specialised crime unit to deal with "Middle Eastern" groups. Now isn't that a great example of how wonderful multiculturalism is! Some thing has do be done with the non-whites. The problem will only get worse in the future. We'll probably will have to deport them even if it has to be done through force.

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But politics works through consensus and competing wills - not one will. The whole authoritarian thing, I believe, is completely out of date. Modern - global - culture is very individualistic. And "Australian" culture - if there is currently such a thing - has become global. Along with the economy and information technology. Australians have always been anti-authoritarian - we've never been one blood, one God, one Leader, now have we?


Of course politics works through consensus and competing wills. Hitler and Stalin knew that. There is nothing wrong with that. Australia will never an authoritarian government to deal with the up and coming problems. There will be a break down of law and order because of the high unemployment and the mass economic depression. Great disasters have changed societies world wide before and now is no different. There is an Australian culture. One can tell that there is by comparing the average Australian, which is white and Anglo, to an American and one would spot the cultural differences. Culture is formed through averages. You may get differences to the average but the deviants are always small in number.

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Reply #37 - Nov 28th, 2009 at 12:14am
 
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But you're barking up the wrong tree. I just can't see why you would find a problem with different races living in one place and time. You can call me a fool - call me anything you want. If you can convince me, however, please do.


The reason why I find a problem with it is because different races and ethnic groups can't live together because it doesn't work. Yet again I'll use Sydney as an example. In Sydney, there is a high level of racial and ethnic tension because the different groups don't get along with each other. South Africa is another example too. 20,000 people a year get killed and 3,000 white farmers have been murdered because of racial violence. And why is it that most multicultural societies never last and often collapse into ethnic cleansing and racial genocide? And what is to stop Australia from going the same way because of the failures of multiculturalism and multiracialism?

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This - by the way - is the only way you'll be able to make any headway in the mainstream population.



The main stream is controlled by the global elite which is also controlled by a  certain religious group... the Jews. No Australian nationalist group will ever make any headway in main stream politics.


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The sooner race disapears from the agenda, the better. But what am I saying?

It has.


No it hasn't. Race and nationalism is still with us and for ever will be with us because it is natural. It constantly lies underneath the surface of Australian politics.

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If you choose to retain a form of crude, nationalistic bigotry - the longing for some imaginary past and the yearning for something that will never be - it's your call. But I find this sad. Hate is fear. Underneath this xenophobic, tribal longing for the past is the inability to live with change - a deep-seated fear of change.


Nationalism is not crude nor bigoted. Every one is a bigot to a certain extent. Because bigoted means two faced. Every one enforces one rule on one group and another for another group. Multiculturalists like the anarchists speak of free speech but yet they are opposed to racialists having the right to free speech. Nationalists like the ones at Australia First don't long for the future. Nationalists simply want to reverse the mistakes that have been made in the last 40 years. The current social-economic and political system will not last. It is not far from collapsing under it's own weight of problems. The global elite are scared of the opposition against them. They denounce us as "extremists" because they are scared of what we have to say. They try to silence us through the introduction of laws like the anti racial vilification laws and that. But the global elite will never silence the white man. For the white man shall march on to final victory.

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I see this as a weakness, not a strength. And while I agree that it lurks in the Australian unconscious - as Hansonism showed; as the White Australia Policy certainly showed - I believe it shows Australia's national weakness as a country situated in Asia.


It isn't a weakness. White Australians know the threat posed to them by the hundreds of millions of gooks. The gook leaders have even admitted that the only way for Australia to become Asian is for the destruction of White Australia for our country to become yet another gook hell whole like all the countries in Asia. Australia is and will never become apart of Asia. We are our own people.

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The only "true" Australians are Aboriginals - and even they only came here 50,000 years ago. Why shouldn't the whites all piss off back to Europe? Yeah, we vanquished, we conquered, we settled, we cleared, we killed off the lazy Godless bastards that wasted this great land.


The blacks have done nothing for this country except walking around the desert for thousands of years. White Australians built this country from nothing with in a couple of hundred of years. Thousands of White Australians fought and died for this country. Whites have paid in blood and sweat for this country LITERALLY!. It is insulting to say that a mob of blacks have more right to this country then us hard working white Australians. It should be the blacks who should rack off out of Australia not the whites.

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And now we're living with the consequences.


What consequences? White Australians created a first world European civilization out of nothing in less then 200 years and fought and died for it in many wars.

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Reply #38 - Nov 28th, 2009 at 6:08pm
 
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It is insulting to say that a mob of blacks have more right to this country then us hard working white Australians. It should be the blacks who should rack off out of Australia not the whites.

[quote]And now we're living with the consequences.


What consequences? White Australians created a first world European civilization out of nothing in less then 200 years and fought and died for it in many wars.


Thanks for the reply. I support your right to speak, and I encourage it. The only way people can understand each other is to communicate, listen to each other, and usually disagree.

That's life.

But Australians rarely died for our own place - we just died for everyone else's. No Jews or global conspiracy created our desire to become cannon fodder in God knows how many foreign wars. Our own sense of imperialism did it. Good old "white pride." God, King, Empire.

And our boredom.

Now we go backpacking. Much easier.

Australians aren't that hard-working, Skinhead. Who works hardest in a city like Sydney?

The Asians. They progressively top the HSC. They occupy many of the highest paid positions. And the recently-arrived ones do the shittiest jobs whitey feels too proud to do.

Now we're the "blacks."

But no problem. bugger working hard. If you think hard work's going to save us, God help you. You'll get skin cancer. Or aspestosis. Work smart, not hard: that's the only way to keep up with the Asians.

Nationalism's a fiction, not some deep-seated truth. There is no biological basis in culture. You raise a very interesting point about the breakup of the Soviet Union, but you're forgetting that language plays a fundamental role. And religion.

In my dad's day it was the Catholics versus the Protestants. In Northern Ireland they actually fenced them off. It's happening today in Israel/Palestine.

Religion, like nationalism, is also a fiction. There is no genetic difference between Muslims and Jews, or Catholics and Protestants. Everyone prays - or doesn't pray - to the same god. In the end, everyone's the same - or different. Who cares? The fences - the borders - are based on the vanity of politicians.

Cultural "ghetoes" are a bonus in a modern city like Sydney - I don't expect you to agree. There have always been competing ethnic enclaves throughout European history, and the Royals were the biggest load of inter-breds of them all. The Queen's a bloody German for God's sake. Cleopatra was half Macedonian.

If Australian nationalism won't make any headway in politics - if there's going to be no end to immigration and multiculturalism - if our future is indefinate racial intermixing and breeding and mixing the pure blood - why not just accept it?

The threat posed to "us whites" by millions of gooks is a few Chinese resturants.

And high scores in maths. Big deal.

The benefit of all those gooks is the increasing part we'll play in Asia - and the world.

If I was you, I'd get used to it. It's life.



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Reply #39 - Nov 29th, 2009 at 8:06pm
 
Melanias purse wrote on Nov 28th, 2009 at 6:08pm:
the Royals were the biggest load of inter-breds of them all. The Queen's a bloody German for God's sake.



She is German and Phil the Greek is... er... Greek. Some inbreeding.

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And Kevin Rudd's a Ching-chong Chinaman.
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But Australians rarely died for our own place - we just died for everyone else's. No Jews or global conspiracy created our desire to become cannon fodder in God knows how many foreign wars. Our own sense of imperialism did it. Good old "white pride." God, King, Empire.


Are dude. Who do you think was behind the First World War? The bankers, who were mostly Jewish, were the ones who supported it and funded it. The Bankers, who were yet again mostly Jews, funded the Russian revolution. The wars had nothing to do with white pride. We did fight for Australia's interests during the world wars. It was not in Australia's interest for Europe and Asia to be controlled by hostile enemy powers.

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Australians aren't that hard-working, Skinhead. Who works hardest in a city like Sydney?


Australians are hard working. We work the longest hours in the industrialised world. People now work on the weekends.

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The Asians. They progressively top the HSC. They occupy many of the highest paid positions. And the recently-arrived ones do the shittiest jobs whitey feels too proud to do.


The "refugees" get terrible jobs because they have no qualifications and most of them haven't even finished primary school let alone high school. The Asians top the HSC because of racial reasons. If you don't believe me, just look at the racial intelligence table.

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Now we're the "blacks."


Whites make up 92% of the Australian population. Nearly 100% of all positions are occupied by White Australians. We are the most powerful race in the country. So, no, we not the new blacks.

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But no problem. bugger working hard. If you think hard work's going to save us, God help you. You'll get skin cancer. Or aspestosis. Work smart, not hard: that's the only way to keep up with the Asians.


Well, we are working hard. As I've said, we are working the longest hours in the western world.

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Nationalism's a fiction, not some deep-seated truth. There is no biological basis in culture. You raise a very interesting point about the breakup of the Soviet Union, but you're forgetting that language plays a fundamental role. And religion.


It isn't fiction. It isn't made up nor is culture. Ever since the beginning of mankind, man has been separated into different groups. Nationalism and culture are manifestations of natural human behaviors. Nationalism is the modern day manifestation of tribalism. You can't destroy it. Culture is not made up. Culture is the combination  of beliefs, philosophy, customs and traditions. They aren't made up. Things that people have in common bind people together into different communities, regions and nations.

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In my dad's day it was the Catholics versus the Protestants. In Northern Ireland they actually fenced them off. It's happening today in Israel/Palestine.


Isn't that telling you some thing? It has been happening since the beginning of man. One common feature in it has been race and religion. Racialism is natural. Being proud of who you are and being proud of your people is not wrong.
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Religion, like nationalism, is also a fiction. There is no genetic difference between Muslims and Jews, or Catholics and Protestants. Everyone prays - or doesn't pray - to the same god. In the end, everyone's the same - or different. Who cares? The fences - the borders - are based on the vanity of politicians.


Religion is fiction but it tends to reflect regional, racial and cultural factors. You'll never get rid of it. The borders reflect where different groups of people are. Nation states reflect cultures, races, ethnicities and religions. Mixing people together has always been a  disaster. A majority of people don't want to live together. One sees this in white flight. White flight is where white people flee from areas being populated by non whites. You rarely sees mixed race suburbs. Virtually all suburbs belong to a particular race.

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Reply #42 - Nov 30th, 2009 at 8:13pm
 
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Cultural "ghetoes" are a bonus in a modern city like Sydney - I don't expect you to agree.


How are they a  bonus to our society? It is a fact that ethnic ghettos have a crime rate and are unsafe for white people to be in.

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If Australian nationalism won't make any headway in politics - if there's going to be no end to immigration and multiculturalism - if our future is indefinate racial intermixing and breeding and mixing the pure blood - why not just accept it?


Why should we accept it? Why can't White Australians reject a horrible future. Interracial mixing is only happening to a few people in society and has been going on since 1788. Just look at all the half castes. Any way, the system won't last. It will collapse due to economic reasons due to failures of neo-liberalism.

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The threat posed to "us whites" by millions of gooks is a few Chinese resturants. And high scores in maths. Big deal.


Sir, you forgot about a few other things. Like: racially motivated crime, Chinese domination, anti white racism etc etc etc.

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The benefit of all those gooks is the increasing part we'll play in Asia - and the world.


What, like being a Chinese colony being raped of our resources? Is that what you want?

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If I was you, I'd get used to it. It's life.

Its not life. Its what is being imposed on us by the global elite. And we all know who comprises the global elite.



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Reply #43 - Nov 30th, 2009 at 8:14pm
 
We Differ More Than We Thought:

The last thirty to forty years of social science has brought an overbearing censorship to the way we are allowed to think and talk about the diversity of people on Earth. People of Siberian descent, New Guinean Highlanders, those from the Indian sub-continent, Caucasians, Australian aborigines, Polynesians, Africans — we are, officially, all the same: there are no races.

Flawed as the old ideas about race are, modern genomic studies reveal a surprising, compelling and different picture of human genetic diversity.  We are on average about 99.5% similar to each other genetically. This is a new figure, down from the previous estimate of 99.9%. To put what may seem like miniscule differences in perspective, we are somewhere around 98.5% similar, maybe more, to chimpanzees, our nearest evolutionary relatives.

The new figure for us, then, is significant. It derives from among other things, many small genetic differences that have emerged from studies that compare human populations. Some confer the ability among adults to digest milk, others to withstand equatorial sun, others yet confer differences in body shape or size, resistance to particular diseases, tolerance to hot or cold, how many offspring a female might eventually produce, and even the production of endorphins — those internal opiate-like compounds. We also differ by surprising amounts in the numbers of copies of some genes we have.

Modern humans spread out of Africa only within the last 60-70,000 years, little more than the blink of an eye when stacked against the 6 million or so years that separate us from our Great Ape ancestors. The genetic differences amongst us reveal a species with a propensity to form small and relatively isolated groups on which natural selection has often acted strongly to promote genetic adaptations to particular environments.

We differ genetically more than we thought, but we should have expected this: how else but through isolation can we explain a single species that speaks at least 7,000 mutually unintelligible languages around the World?

What this all means is that, like it or not, there may be many genetic differences among human populations — including differences that may even correspond to old categories of 'race' — that are real differences in the sense of making one group better than another at responding to some particular environmental problem. This in no way says one group is in general 'superior' to another, or that one group should be preferred over another.  But it warns us that we must be prepared to discuss genetic differences among human populations.

http://www.edge.org/q2008/q08_2.html#pagel
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Reply #44 - Dec 2nd, 2009 at 9:20am
 
Thanks for the research, Aussie. Very detailed, I must say.

However, what is it about Asians and maths? Does this show up in Fischer et al?

Also, the Flemish don't fare too well. What is it about the Flemish?

Actually, I don't see the Germans on that scale. Do you think Fischer et al might be a bit sensitive?

I'm Irish/Scottish, so - unfortunately - I'm one of the uber-mensch. Pity. Perhaps I should change my last name to Smythe.
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