Probably not so much of a blind eye than a fearful one. These people consider themselves latter day crusaders.

It was inevitable, no doubt, that the monster of religious warrior zealotry that characterises Islamism would spawn a self-styled nemesis in the form of militant Christian Fundamentalism... Killers for Jesus.

Jesus Killed Mohammed: The crusade for a Christian military

honestly

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 5:54pm:

Might pay to listen to it again... Or read the article... Not quite as facile as you recall it.

There's that word again... No love your enemies for you then?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 6:20pm:

You didn't listen to it or read the article.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 6:20pm:

An aspiration of yours, softy?

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 8:37pm:


All your muslim brothers and sisters are yearning for some proper Christian (western, liberal, democratic, secular) government. It is only your type, zealous converts and disaffected blow-ins, safe in western secular coutries, who agitate constantly for some corrupt, theocratic hell.


"kill, murder, rape, pillage, dine on your enemies, rape them and burn them and their families alive to cover the evidence" -  reads like jihad to me. Accusing the west of what your co-religionists do every day, as a matter of 'religous' jihad, may seem clever to you, sly propagandist, but after so many years of hearing about Muslim barbarity precisely along these lines, the ruse does not work any more. We know you are barbarians, we know your tactics, we know you are bullsh!tting.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 9:55pm:



We both know that there is nothing in Islam that promotes peace, freedom, felicity, civilisation, except after a submission.

And submission is the only point of Islam.

And we both know that Christianity is the only thing that allows you to mouth off.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 11:21pm:



There is no excuse for being a Muslim. None.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 6:20pm:


That bit was funny. Phillip Adams is probably the most high profile atheist in Australia, but he's also one of the most tolerant and compassionate.

Maybe I should keep out of this board. I did not intend this post to be another Muslim-Christian Christian-Muslim battleground.

Incidentally the guy who started all this was Jewish. Top bloke eh - Abu?   I was just appalled by the fact that people could get killed by the US army for not subscribing to Militant Christianity.

I'm not pushing any religio-poitical barrow here. I would think that anybody would be appalled by this report regardless of their own personal religion.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 9:46am:



Polish Engineer Refused Islam
Kidnapped Pole allegedly given choice between conversion and death

Piotr Stańczak, a Polish engineer working in Afghanistan for Geofizyka Krakow, was kidnapped by the Taliban in late 2008 and beheaded by his captors on the 7th of February. Now, a fellow hostage has revealed that Stańczak was given a chance to save his own life - and refused.

According to the German Press Agency (DPA), who interviewed Mohammad Amir (not his real name), a recently-released hostage of the Taliban, Stańczak had gained the respect of his captors. The Pole did not show fear and ate and slept well while in captivity. Amir was told about Stańczak by a Taliban guard, who stressed that it was difficult for his commander to order the engineer's execution. According to Amir, that was why the commander gave Stańczak a choice: convert to Islam or face death. With no hesitation, Stańczak chose the latter.

http://www.krakowpost.com/article/1399

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 9:32pm:



Exactly so, soren.





Christian and Judaic doctrines, do not endorse or encourage the violence, seen so commonly in the world.

Matthew 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38  This is the first and great commandment.
39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.



O.T.,

Leviticus 19:11
Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
12  And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
13  Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
14  Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
15  Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
16  Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
17  Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
18  Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.



Advice to God's people within the Old Testament scripture....

Exodus 22:21
Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.


Exodus 23:9
Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.


Leviticus 19:33
And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.
34  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.


Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
18  He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.
19  Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.






Whereas,

ISLAM does endorse the idea of ISLAMIC / moslem superiority, and violence against those who reject ISLAM.

ISLAM justifies the 'philosophy of the world' [i.e. justifying human violence to achieve 'aims'].

"Right is only in question between equals, and while the strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must."

Thucydides (460-400 B.C.) Greek Historian

This philosophy has an equivalency in ISLAM.

It is the philosophy, that says that, Allah favours the strong.

And that violence against the weak, is proof of Allah's condemnation of the weak.








"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."
quote, Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad


The Koran...

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other......"

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/048.qmt.html#048.029

Yadda wrote on Jul 5^th, 2009 at 1:58pm:

And yet...

'His blood be on us, and on our children.'

'in hoc signum vincit'

With Christianity, 'the Lord' has a bad habit of dropping in on psychopaths, ordering them into 'Holy War'.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 5^th, 2009 at 3:55pm:



Yes the blood of the Passover lamb [in Egypt], was the symbolic representation, of the blood of the Christ.
....the Redeemer of Israel.

And the words you quoted, merely acknowledge, IN THE WORD OF GOD, the redemption of the Jews, being those who spoke those same words to Pilate.




Quote:


I have no idea what those words signify.








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helian,

Shame on you.

That is a very bad, misrepresentation, of what our God has stated, that he requires of us.

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


1 John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21  And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

Yep from what you say helian I can tell that you hang out with lots of  Christians and theologians and...

Yes last time I looked at the US demographics 75% of US citizens in their census? considered themselves Christian.

So what's up your nose Mozz...  just like to kick Grendel at every opportunity ?  Why?

I note I'm the only one you serve it up to personally and my replies have probably been the mildest and least religiously based.

You need to seek some help...  

Grendel wrote on Jul 5^th, 2009 at 7:08pm:

... and I've never met any who would admit that they could truly love their enemies... Not because of any innate predilection for hypocrisy, but because the idea of it is ridiculous. That's the real impossibility before breakfast. Yet despite this non-subscription, it is a concept that is so often espoused as the core of the Christian ethos.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 4^th, 2009 at 9:55pm:


Islam is the hole in the sock. It is like a parasite, it lives by devouring what it comes in contact with.The history of Islam is bloody - bloody within and bloody on its borders. Always.
It is against curiousity, against learning, against inquiry. It erases the history, the memory, the accumulated customs and knowledge of all the peoples it conquers. Like a shark: it swims to eat, it eats to swim. It creates nothing. When it is in power, it stulifies, stupifies, suffocates the people it has entwined. It is nothing but rebellion onto submission. Then it's stupor.

BTW, go ahead, hold your breath.